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Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

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Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

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I'm hoping we get some new green movement soon that is much more pragmatic about how we can actually reduce reliance on hydrocarbons. Nuclear, and more natural gas are the answer, at least transitionally.

Oh, and also I'd like to see green movements taking less Russian money...

"People think Europe depends on Russia for energy because it lacks its own, but 15 years ago Europe exported more natural gas than Russia does today. Now, Russia exports 3x more gas than Europe produces. Why? Because climate activists, partly funded by Russia, blocked fracking." https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/14993866370667274...

"In 2014, NATO's secretary general revealed Russia was funding climate activists, saying, “Russia... engaged actively with so-called nongovernmental organizations working against shale gas to maintain dependence on imported Russian gas" https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/14993872777215508...

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#4

I'm hoping we get some new green movement soon that is much more pragmatic about how we can actually reduce reliance on hydrocarbons. Nuclear, and more natural gas are the answer, at least transitionally. Oh, and also I'd like to see green movements taking less Russian money... "People think Europe depends on Russia for energy because it lacks its own, but 15 years ago Europe exported more natural gas than Russia doe…

Why does more natural gas have to be part of the answer?

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#5

I'm hoping we get some new green movement soon that is much more pragmatic about how we can actually reduce reliance on hydrocarbons. Nuclear, and more natural gas are the answer, at least transitionally. Oh, and also I'd like to see green movements taking less Russian money... "People think Europe depends on Russia for energy because it lacks its own, but 15 years ago Europe exported more natural gas than Russia doe…

I mean, fracking shouldn't be allowed.

I live in Arizona, and the electric companies here make it hell for solar owners. I don't understand it.

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#6
I cannot upvote this enough. We have a strict budget left for carbon emissions. It's not an exam in the future that we are currently studying for to pass. But thinking in budget terms also means talking about budgeting/rationing but I guess it needs to become really bad before we even dare to touch that...

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#7

I'm hoping we get some new green movement soon that is much more pragmatic about how we can actually reduce reliance on hydrocarbons. Nuclear, and more natural gas are the answer, at least transitionally. Oh, and also I'd like to see green movements taking less Russian money... "People think Europe depends on Russia for energy because it lacks its own, but 15 years ago Europe exported more natural gas than Russia doe…

Why does more natural gas have to be part of the answer?

I assume because it’s cheap standby power that can make the whole renewable setup more affordable. Gas turbines don’t need expensive boilers and can ramp up and down quickly.

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#8

I'm hoping we get some new green movement soon that is much more pragmatic about how we can actually reduce reliance on hydrocarbons. Nuclear, and more natural gas are the answer, at least transitionally. Oh, and also I'd like to see green movements taking less Russian money... "People think Europe depends on Russia for energy because it lacks its own, but 15 years ago Europe exported more natural gas than Russia doe…

Why does more natural gas have to be part of the answer?

If you switch all the wood burning in third world countries, and all the coal fired stations to natural gas, you reduce emissions considerably. You need to do this because third world countries can't afford renewables, or there simply isn't enough supply to roll it out quickly (within 10-20 years). But they burn a lot of wood, which is unnecessary, and can be switched to gas cheaply and easily.

Considering it will still take decades for renewables to be rolled out and cheap enough to replace wood and coal, it makes sense to use gas transitionally.

The fact that this isn't discussed in green movements is insane. It literally would reduce carbon emissions faster. It shows how the green movement is more ideological than pragmatic.

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#9

I cannot upvote this enough. We have a strict budget left for carbon emissions. It's not an exam in the future that we are currently studying for to pass. But thinking in budget terms also means talking about budgeting/rationing but I guess it needs to become really bad before we even dare to touch that...

What happens when the budget runs out?

Re: Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need action now

#10

I cannot upvote this enough. We have a strict budget left for carbon emissions. It's not an exam in the future that we are currently studying for to pass. But thinking in budget terms also means talking about budgeting/rationing but I guess it needs to become really bad before we even dare to touch that...

What happens when the budget runs out?

Shit goes south with no way to recover?
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