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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by nix23 »

simiones wrote: post #50
emptyparadise wrote: post #5

>Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character". What the fuck?

That language is an explicit part of Israel - the Declaration of Independence enshrines the idea that Israel is, first and foremost, a Jewish state. In more recent times, the nature of the state is often referred to as "Jewish and democratic". It is also enshrined in the basic laws of Israel (Israel doesn't have a constitution). This entire concept has a dedicated article on Wikipedia [0]. It's a pretty fun read for…

Yeah see, sh*t like that happens when you make a country only based on/for a religion.

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Post by 1337shadow »

namlem wrote: post #35
rjzzleep wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then please enlighten us, what's the rationale?

There have been cases of Israeli citizens marrying terrorists to get them into the country. Though this law is an overreaction. It's one thing to do background checks and impose a waiting period on Palestinian spouses, but a total ban is ridiculous.

Thanks, at least we have an idea what this law is an overreaction of, I think telling a bit about that would have made the reuters article on-par with the journalistic quality that I expect from my standards.

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Post by joshbaptiste »

hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #13

Can we sanction Israel next, please?

USA just passed omnibus 2022 $1.5T spending bill which has $250 Million for Israel iron dome upgrades.. there is a POWERFUL Israeli lobby in the USA that won't let such sanctions get off the floor.

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Post by VictorPath »

algo_trader wrote: post #49
quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

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> These 2 nations are de-facto at war

Israel has said Palestine is not a nation, and has worked to block Palestine from entering the UN as a member state.

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Post by toyg »

algo_trader wrote: post #49
quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

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> Did Britain allow tens of thousands of Nazi party members to emigrate to the UK during the Blitz?

England and the US definitely allowed Germans to move to the country before, during, and after the conflict - and plenty of them. You'd be grilled by authorities for sure, and probably observed for months afterwards, but that's it. And here you're equating members of a political party with people born in a certain country, which is not really fair.

> Should the Ukraine allow a million Russians to marry on Zoom and come live in Kiev?

Why not? They would see first-hand the result of misguided policies and likely support Ukrainian instances. Unless, of course, you think there is such thing as a "Ukrainian race" worth preserving...

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Post by usaar333 »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This isn't really about interreligious marriages; it mostly affects Muslim Arab Israeli Citizens marrying Muslim Palestinians.

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Post by 1337shadow »

pthread_t wrote: post #69
kergonath wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s just about making their lives miserable so they go live somewhere else.

You're not wrong. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-right-wing-party...

Paying them isn't quite the same as making them miserable, at the same time, it's the kind of proposals that a right-wing party, which I don't believe is specific to Israel, and as such, does not explain that law ... Nonetheless, thanks for the info!

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Post by moltke »

simiones wrote: post #50
emptyparadise wrote: post #5

>Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character". What the fuck?

That language is an explicit part of Israel - the Declaration of Independence enshrines the idea that Israel is, first and foremost, a Jewish state. In more recent times, the nature of the state is often referred to as "Jewish and democratic". It is also enshrined in the basic laws of Israel (Israel doesn't have a constitution). This entire concept has a dedicated article on Wikipedia [0]. It's a pretty fun read for…

Older founding documents for the US enshrined it as a White nation.

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Post by simiones »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.
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