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Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by kryptiskt » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 12:47 PM UTC

tiffanyh wrote: post #17

Does FreeBSD have the equivalent of “-slim” in Ubuntu/Debian speak. I see that NanoBSD exist but ~~(a) it looks abandoned and~~ (b) its target use case is routers, not general servers, because it creates an immutable base. https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/nanobsd/ EDIT: I stand corrected. It is maintained. Thanks for info.

OccamBSD is a new script cutting down FreeBSD to a minimum, the README has some links to other alternatives: https://github.com/michaeldexter/occambsd

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by bell-cot » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 12:57 PM UTC

lorenzfx wrote: post #4

Here are the release notes for 13.1 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.1R/relnotes/

Doing a quick compare with the 12.1 Release notes - https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.1R/relnotes/ - I will speculate that the 13.1 Release Notes are not a finished document, and quite a bit more will be added before the April 26th (current schedule) "final" Release of 13.1.

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by trasz » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #14

webmobdev wrote: post #2

It's not Linux, it's Unix ...

It's not Unix it's BSD (that's a good thing actually)

For all practical purposes all BSDs and Linux are Unix.

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by pjmlp » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 1:20 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #23

nix23 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not Unix it's BSD (that's a good thing actually)

For all practical purposes all BSDs and Linux are Unix.

Until one runs UNIX software and forgets to set POSIXLY_CORRECT accordingly.

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by ladyanita22 » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 1:27 PM UTC

I'd LOVE for BSD to be a good alternative for daily use to Linux. But it's simply not. There's more and more stuff that is Linux only nowadays (wayland, gnome, several drivers, power management, wifi, Steam and proton... to name a few, very important ones)

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by alberth » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 1:47 PM UTC

kryptiskt wrote: post #21

tiffanyh wrote: post #17

Does FreeBSD have the equivalent of “-slim” in Ubuntu/Debian speak. I see that NanoBSD exist but ~~(a) it looks abandoned and~~ (b) its target use case is routers, not general servers, because it creates an immutable base. https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/nanobsd/ EDIT: I stand corrected. It is maintained. Thanks for info.

OccamBSD is a new script cutting down FreeBSD to a minimum, the README has some links to other alternatives: https://github.com/michaeldexter/occambsd

> "This script leverages FreeBSD build options and a minimum kernel configuration file to build the minimum kernel and userland to boot FreeBSD under jail(8) and the bhyve and Xen hypervisors."

Does that imply that OccamBSD cannot be installed on bare metal?

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by eatonphil » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

ladyanita22 wrote: post #25

I'd LOVE for BSD to be a good alternative for daily use to Linux. But it's simply not. There's more and more stuff that is Linux only nowadays (wayland, gnome, several drivers, power management, wifi, Steam and proton... to name a few, very important ones)

What do you mean by "BSD"? As I'm sure you know they are not distributions of the same underlying operating system.

FreeBSD has supported Gnome for years for example. Wifi drivers are not Linux-only either AFAIK they just take time to get ported from Linux (or sometimes NetBSD) to FreeBSD.

While it's true that FreeBSD isn't as easy a desktop system as Ubuntu is, it sounds like some (but definitely not all) of your reasons are a few years out of date.

FreeBSD's main focus is servers also to be fair.

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by mnd999 » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:05 PM UTC

ladyanita22 wrote: post #25

I'd LOVE for BSD to be a good alternative for daily use to Linux. But it's simply not. There's more and more stuff that is Linux only nowadays (wayland, gnome, several drivers, power management, wifi, Steam and proton... to name a few, very important ones)

Wayland was working fine on FreeBSD last time I tried it. Gnome also had a port last time I looked. Even steam has worked in the past under linuxulator, not sure if it does currently.

Edit: wayland not waylaid. That was genuinely autocorrect but it made me smile.

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by cylinder714 » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

bell-cot wrote: post #22

lorenzfx wrote: post #4

Here are the release notes for 13.1 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.1R/relnotes/

Doing a quick compare with the 12.1 Release notes - https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.1R/relnotes/ - I will speculate that the 13.1 Release Notes are not a finished document, and quite a bit more will be added before the April 26th (current schedule) "final" Release of 13.1.

From the original post, "Please note, the release notes page is not yet complete, and will be updated on an ongoing basis as the 13.1-RELEASE cycle progresses."

Re: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 1

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Post by ink_13 » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:20 PM UTC

alberth wrote: post #26

kryptiskt wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OccamBSD is a new script cutting down FreeBSD to a minimum, the README has some links to other alternatives: https://github.com/michaeldexter/occambsd

> "This script leverages FreeBSD build options and a minimum kernel configuration file to build the minimum kernel and userland to boot FreeBSD under jail(8) and the bhyve and Xen hypervisors." Does that imply that OccamBSD cannot be installed on bare metal?

The opposite. OccamBSD is just small enough so that you can run a "full" FreeBSD installation in a jail, or start VMs with bhyve or Xen, and basically nothing else.