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A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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Often times there's a lot of controversy about if a leader is really in charge, or if they are merely a figurehead for some group of masterminds behind the scenes. The thing I like about studying Russia under Stalin is that Stalin was the one actually in charge. More than any other leader of the 19th or 20th century, he held the whole thing together almost singlehandedly. He had to because he got rid of people so reg…

The degree to witch the Personality of the Leader is reflect in the country can be quite absurd. In any Gulag you would find amazing musicians, dancers and so on. But not singer, Stalin liked them to much. The cultural landscape of a country altered by the simple preference of one men. We don't have everything, people like Ygoda seem to have gone threw the document and removed things that would negatively reflect on…

> But not singer, Stalin liked them to much.

This is not true. It took super little searching to find Vadim Kozin and Lidia Ruslanova. And it is not like I would be an expert. The reason I searched was that this anecdote makes zero sense in the context of how Russia under Stalin or Stalin himself operated. Liking something too much would not prevent either from crushing that something hard.

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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The Russian oligarchy is of no consequence these days, he has spent 25 years consolidating power. A popular uprising is the only chance of Putin not dying on the throne and that doesn't appear to be happening. The protests now are a fraction of what they were last year for Navalny. In retrospect that was probably his dry run. Weeks into this the majority of the Russian population either supports this "special operati…

"The Russian oligarchy is of no consequence these days, he has spent 25 years consolidating power." Hm, in my perspection he consolidated his power with the oligarchy. And a popular uprising I do not see coming in the near future, but once all those disillusioned soldiers come home and share their stories of the real war, while they discover how screwed up everything has become at home - then things might change.

The oligarchy wasn't that important anymore, Putin silenced those oligarchs that opposed him and made the others allies. Now those ultra-rich and very powerful allies are loosing that power and money due to that alliance and Putin's actions.

The big question is, what are the other powers to be thinking, the armed forces and the intelligence community? And what's gonna happen of one of those groups decides that Putin is more of a hindrance than a benefit? Or even a risk to their interests?

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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> Stalin foreign policy (not unlike Chamberlains) was to pull Germany to his side Sort of. Prior to 1933 was the Third Period where the Comintern was antagonistic in Germany even to socialists ("social fascists"). From 1934 to the end of 1938 the USSR was looking for a self-defense pact with France, or the UK, neither country of which was interested (Blum in France was not for complex reasons). In 1939 the USSR and G…

Starting from the Treaty of Rapallo in 1922 there was cooperation between Germany and Soviets. Recent archival research has reviled that this cooperation was far deep then initially assumed. Until a short while ago we mostly looked at diplomatic treaties. However the reality is, German Army was basically operating as a shadow government in Germany and they very intensively interact with Russia on a massive scale. The…

After WW1, the USSR and Germany were kind of the parias of European politics, that made them natural partners of convenience. And as you said, it was Germany that broke that partnership as soon as it did serve them anymore. The Wehrmacht owns a lot of its existence to the secret programs they Reichswehr ran with the Russians when they were still bound by the Versailles treaty limiting the German military.

I came to appreciate the interwar period as being at least as interesting as the two world wars, it is highly complex, wrought with conflict and so formative when it comes to WW2 and even the Cold War. This period is also tremendously under covered, maybe not in the East but absolutely in common German history lessons. But not diving deep into that period, so much context of WW2 is lost.

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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An odd assertion, since that user does in fact have plenty of technical comments.

Went through five pages and didn't see any. Also anyone that uses phrases like "Western stereotypical view" in the current situation is possibly not all there, unless they explicitly support mass murderes.

Don't we have something in the HN rules saying about always assuming the best when in doubt about comments? E.g. I'm not Russian, nor do I support murder, the war Ukraine or excuse any war crimes. And regardless here I am constantly complaining about a "stereotypical Western worldview". Why? Because I grew up during the Cold War, which means a lot of history, especially about WW2 and Communism, was, as it turned out, clouded by Cold War and anti-Communist propaganda.

Context matters, history isn't happening in a vacuum. Trying to get as neutral a view is good thing.

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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I'm reminded a bit of Marx's Eighteenth Bruminaire of Louis Bonaparte, where the line 'once as grand tragedy, and the second time as rotten farce' was coined, because just like Napoleon III to Napoleon I, compared to Stalin, Putin is a dwarf. Sadly, I don't find the comparison particularly reassuring. Hilter, another 'moon-calf', with his 'first available dozen debt-encumbered lieutenants', did far more damage than S…

Bismark is a far more reasoned and careful strategist with incredibly different goals compared to Hitler. He wanted short wars for limited strategic gains and Prussia to be dominate within the German Empire. That is totally different then believing in a global race war. Its not at all like Napoleon and Napoleon III. They hoped for the same thing, but were just differently capable. > did far more damage than Stalin ev…

I have honestly no idea how Bismarck ended up with a sometimes that bad reputation. It was Bismarck's system Alliances that kept peace in Europe for a tremendously long time, it also prevented, through complex, overlapping defensive agreements between all major European powers a war like WW1. Under Bismarck's system, basically any party starting such a war would be isolated without allies. Wilhelm II changed that, first kicking Bismarck out and then by re-negotiating those alliances in a way that created the blocks that would turn into the Central Powers and the Entente during WW1, the Axis and Allies, in Europe at least, largely formed along these lines as well.

Bismarck kind of saw that coming, to me it seems he did what he could to prevent it. That Bismarck was also a true Prussian conservative, and that wars still broke out during his time doesn't prove any of the above wrong.

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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An odd assertion, since that user does in fact have plenty of technical comments.

Went through five pages and didn't see any. Also anyone that uses phrases like "Western stereotypical view" in the current situation is possibly not all there, unless they explicitly support mass murderes.

If you went through five pages and didn’t see any, that’s on you. I just quickly flicked through and saw some about Rust, GDScript and C++.

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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There is also a good review in the Financial Times which emphasises Stalin being well read. My favourite was 'On a book about the English Civil War, he made a mark comparing the Puritan chaplains of Oliver Cromwell’s New Model Army with the political commissars of the Soviet Red Army.' This is apparently a popular comparison and Putin is a Cromwell fan too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/af83a4c8-966... (amp link hopefully avoids paywall) and https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/stalin-hitler-and-cromwell-a... for a Stalin/Cromwell comparison.

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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The degree to witch the Personality of the Leader is reflect in the country can be quite absurd. In any Gulag you would find amazing musicians, dancers and so on. But not singer, Stalin liked them to much. The cultural landscape of a country altered by the simple preference of one men. We don't have everything, people like Ygoda seem to have gone threw the document and removed things that would negatively reflect on…

> But not singer, Stalin liked them to much. This is not true. It took super little searching to find Vadim Kozin and Lidia Ruslanova. And it is not like I would be an expert. The reason I searched was that this anecdote makes zero sense in the context of how Russia under Stalin or Stalin himself operated. Liking something too much would not prevent either from crushing that something hard.

There are lots of examples in which artists that Stalin respected where crushed less hard than one might expect them to be crushed, Zamyatin comes to mind.

http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1929-2/proletarian-writers/prol...

Re: A Voracious Reader: Stalin through his books

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IMHO the best view of Stalin and Stalinism, and certainly the funniest if your taste is for black humor is the film "The Death Of Stalin" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Stalin often available on streaming services. A new version with s/Stalin/Putin/ would be good, and perhaps given oligarchs etc. even funnier.

If you liked that, watch The Thick of It, also by Iannucci, a dark comedy (tv series) about modern British government. Both funny and ugly.. the character Malcolm Tucker still strikes fear into my heart.

Also the spin-off movie In the Loop.
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