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Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

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Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

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Post by jwmoz »

I hate Twitter for all the change they've made-more spam and useless engagement features. I noticed this in testing some time ago, constantly making it hard just to see what I want, not the Algo suggested tweets, other peoples likes, spam etc.

Every tech company is going down the same route, spam and advertising until they force power users away in disgust.

Just this week I've had the same annoying random Chinese language influencer advert force shown to me on Youtube on every video view, and I can't even speak Chinese.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

#52

Post by gxs »

ankit219 wrote: post #40
slimsag wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's any issue monetizing a chronological timeline. The issue for them I imagine is retention: with chronological, it's likely that when you visit Twitter the first few messages you see are not interesting and you leave. But if they put a tweet that's popular among your social group in front of you? Odds are that's interesting to you and you stick around a bit longer. I dislike that, to be clear, but…

With reverse chronological timeline, it's harder to build a advertising profile. While it's important to know what tweets a user is interacting with, the personalization option can surface more things as "You might like", "You follow x, and he liked", "Interesting tweet on the topics you follow/might like" and so on. Whether or not you choose to interact with anyone or more of those is a signal, and helps with advert…

Disagree here - you can insert things into a chronological timeline just fine - it's no more jarring than an algorithmic one.

Nothing wrong with showing me, and clearly denoting, a tweet that I might like in between other tweets I browse.

Don't understand this black and white thinking.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

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Post by thestepafter »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #35
kmeisthax wrote: post #12

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With chronological timelines you either "run out" of content (because you've already refreshed like 15 times this hour and read everything the people you follow have said), or you get buried in content you don't want (because you're following people for hairdressing tips and they're all tweeting 20-page threads about why Putin is actually in the right somehow). Eventually you burn out and churn out. With algorithmic…

> Hence, you stay on longer and view more ads. Jokes on them. I block every account that shows promoted tweets and it keeps my timeline ad-free. I'm actually surprised they don't have promoted tweets override blocklists but hey, if it works.

Shhh, careful or they will catch on and my 10,385 blocks so far will be in vain.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

#54

Post by bmlzootown »

malwarebytess wrote: post #49
bmlzootown wrote: post #22

GoodTwitter2[0] is the only reason that I still use the web version anymore. I can handle the mobile interface on a mobile device, but making the desktop experience mobile-themed was the straw that almost broke the camel's back. GoodTwitter2 mostly fixes that, thankfully. The userscript also fixes the reverse-chronological issue. There's literally a setting that enables one to force "Latest Tweets First" mode, so it'…

Do you know how to access GT2 settings? I can't seem to find it after installing the script and confirming it works.

It should be accessible from the normal settings. Click on your profile avatar, settings and privacy, GoodTwitter2.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

#55

Post by misnome »

MBCook wrote: post #2

I really like Twitter, I follow a lot of great people and discover a lot of great things on it. But I don’t understand how anyone uses their website or the official client. If it wasn’t for a third-party client I think I’d give up pretty fast.

Chronological, always. Always at the same point when I reopen, I scroll upwards until I hit the latest tweet at the top, at which point I am done.

I absolutely would not use Twitter if I had to use the website.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

#56

Post by alperakgun »

jwmoz wrote: post #51

I hate Twitter for all the change they've made-more spam and useless engagement features. I noticed this in testing some time ago, constantly making it hard just to see what I want, not the Algo suggested tweets, other peoples likes, spam etc. Every tech company is going down the same route, spam and advertising until they force power users away in disgust. Just this week I've had the same annoying random Chinese lan…

Twitter stream looks like MSN.com/Yahoo (News) frontpage. It's not social, it's full of suggestions I don't like.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

#57

Post by fartcannon »

jwmoz wrote: post #51

I hate Twitter for all the change they've made-more spam and useless engagement features. I noticed this in testing some time ago, constantly making it hard just to see what I want, not the Algo suggested tweets, other peoples likes, spam etc. Every tech company is going down the same route, spam and advertising until they force power users away in disgust. Just this week I've had the same annoying random Chinese lan…

That sucks! You know, you don't have to see advertisements. And you don't have to log into google. You can subscribe to feeds with RSS.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

#58

Post by spike021 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #36
anonymoushn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hotels can try boosting user retention, as measured by minutes spent in the room, by hiding guests' belongings while they are away.

That's pretty much the thinking behind layouts of malls and grocery stores. Grocery stores put common items like milk way in the back, in order to have you traverse the whole store and get exposed to as many meters of shelf as possible. They generally also like to change placement of product, to make sure you don't learn the layout and get too efficient at navigating. Malls try to balance enabling people to find what…

Don't forget IKEA.

I went the other day just to look at a dining table. It was only in the 3rd or 4th showroom. Of course, to get out I had to wander through the majority of like 13 or 14 other showrooms because you pretty much can only take the linear path to get to an exit.

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

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Post by wwweston »

wodenokoto wrote: post #36
anonymoushn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hotels can try boosting user retention, as measured by minutes spent in the room, by hiding guests' belongings while they are away.

That's pretty much the thinking behind layouts of malls and grocery stores. Grocery stores put common items like milk way in the back, in order to have you traverse the whole store and get exposed to as many meters of shelf as possible. They generally also like to change placement of product, to make sure you don't learn the layout and get too efficient at navigating. Malls try to balance enabling people to find what…

> Grocery stores put common items like milk way in the back, in order to have you traverse the whole store and get exposed to as many meters of shelf as possible. They generally also like to change placement of product, to make sure you don't learn the layout and get too efficient at navigating.

Wonder if the covid-catalyzed uptake on grocery pickup options will change this in any way. I certainly discovered the joys of making grocery errands much more efficient, to the point where the decided majority of my store runs are pickup-only: I don't waste time navigating the store.

(And hey, the store can show me random products based off ML analysis of my purchase history, win-win.)

Re: Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed

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Post by sagonar »

raverbashing wrote: post #42
wodenokoto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much the thinking behind layouts of malls and grocery stores. Grocery stores put common items like milk way in the back, in order to have you traverse the whole store and get exposed to as many meters of shelf as possible. They generally also like to change placement of product, to make sure you don't learn the layout and get too efficient at navigating. Malls try to balance enabling people to find what…

I wonder how much of this is an urban legend There's a reason why refrigerated items are usually at the back: fridges usually face a wall. You can have a shelf at the back sometimes but that's not always possible Also, for those quick purchases you can always go to somewhere closer, a gas station, etc. In fact in Europe some places do have the quick purchases right in front of the store so you don't need to go around…

I think store documentation from the 'food store franchise' have been publicly shared in Sweden and had instructions on how you should place the milk.
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