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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by pmalynin »

unmole wrote: post #197
pmalynin wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once they start invading (erghm I mean performing special operations) other countries, sure. Add China to that list as well. I asked my relatives to show me outside and it certainly does look like WW3 in Kyiv and Kharkiv.

> erghm I mean performing special operations So, the Saudis haven't been bombing Yemen since 2015? I mean it's only a conflict that resulted in the deaths of over 100,000 people. One would think that would cause more outrage. > it certainly does look like WW3 in Kyiv and Kharkiv. But somehow it wasn't WW3 when it happened to Herat or Aleppo or Halabja or Hargeisa or Burao or Grozny. It's almost as if an isolated conf…

Given your attitude you would have said the same thing about Poland, Sudetenland or when Austria invaded Serbia.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by mateo1 »

I'm trying to think of something constructive to say, but all I can give is disappointed "wow...".

We truly live in a post-sarcasm world. Not even the fucking onion could make this shit up. Perhaps next week will be followed by headlines like "Ethnic cleansing environmentally friendly, scientists conclude", "Did Hitler give a bad name to holocausts?" and a few extra "Why a nuclear war isn't going to be this bad".

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by gruez »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #190
gruez wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with Russia. However, it would be theoretically possible for the no-fly zone to be imposed without a single Russian plane being shot down—all Russia would have to do is to cease flying over Ukraine. Why not go further? Why stop at the air? Why not make the whole country…

Ah, you get it. Russia should do that, go back into their own border. Of course, withdrawing all russian military from Ukraine would take days. Declaring a no-fly zone is faster and a good start.

> Ah, you get it. Russia should do that, go back into their own border.

My point is that "no fly zone" is pretty similar to "boots on ground", even if they're "peacekeepers". It's not some sort of special military operation you can declare that won't provoke a response from putin.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by unmole »

pmalynin wrote: post #201
unmole wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> erghm I mean performing special operations So, the Saudis haven't been bombing Yemen since 2015? I mean it's only a conflict that resulted in the deaths of over 100,000 people. One would think that would cause more outrage. > it certainly does look like WW3 in Kyiv and Kharkiv. But somehow it wasn't WW3 when it happened to Herat or Aleppo or Halabja or Hargeisa or Burao or Grozny. It's almost as if an isolated conf…

Given your attitude you would have said the same thing about Poland, Sudetenland or when Austria invaded Serbia.

Invasion of Poland literally triggered WW2 with the UK and France declaring war against Germany. Has anything comparable happened yet? No? Then how is it different from any of the dozens of wars fought since WW2?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by FpUser »

mech422 wrote: post #187
FpUser wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Violating a no-fly zone requires authorization, and hopefully thought.." Putin did not sign for no flying zone. For him it is not a violation and as much as I hate this maniac he is under no obligation to respect NATO laws on non NATO territory. Violating Ukraine the way he did required way more than "hopefully thought" and yet it did not stop him. I think that no-fly zone is a guarantee to get nuked.

I wasn't aware it was up to Putin.. But assuming your logic is correct, we're screwed anyway. Putin has always wanted to rebuild the USSR. He's annexed territory in the past, he's attempting to annex it now, and he'll attempt it again in the future.. So at some point, someone's gonna push the button..

>"I wasn't aware it was up to Putin"

I am not sure if this is sarcasm, but yes, it is pretty much up to him.

>"He's annexed territory in the past, he's attempting to annex it now, and he'll attempt it again in the future"

I think Ukraine is where his career ends. The question is how long. And in any way I do not think that he will attack NATO unless in return. I could be wrong but I prefer having a chance not to be annihilated vs a guarantee to the opposite.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by shmobot »

zoomablemind wrote: post #177

There is no point in calling for violence on social media against anyone, the Russian people including. It may feel liberating for some to post such calls, but the actual killing is happening right now on the real ground, not virtual. This is what needs to stop! Channeling the anger and helplessness against the aggressor into the hate is not making people stronger and is not going to stop the aggression. If anything,…

I genuinely wonder if such kumbaya rhetoric stays the same once the person actually experiences the bombing of his own house and see people around him heart or dead. Or just forced to leave his own home abandoning everything behind.

Watching closely Russian politics for the last 20 years, the one thing they do perfectly is use this kindness and tolerance of the West against them. Once in house the authorities repress everything that is democratic, decent, free and different, they demand the outside world to stick to their values to the letter, ousting every little deviation from it as the West hypocrisy. And then using it to further convince his own people that the West is rotten.

You can't win the fight if the other side always plays dirty. I believe this is more than just Ukraine-Russia conflict, this is the Cold war that actually never ended.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by Gravyness »

Ice_cream_suit wrote: post #191

Sadly, being anti-Russian has become the new green. Russian's are humans too and deserve as much respect and consideration as every other nationality. Remember, next time your race / religion / sexual orientation/ nationality might be the one being demonised, simply because someone powerful can make money out of having the masses hate you. Resist the urge to give into mindless hatred and jingoism.

You mean the actions of a single person in power does not reflect 100% of the population of a country? Carefull, next you'll be telling me to think for myself or something!

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by qiskit »

That's cute. Zuckerburg is going to control our "2 minute hate". We've always been at war with eurasia.

And people wonder why Russia, China, etc block facebook. That more nations haven't banned facebook really makes you wonder at the quality of leadership in these countries.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by pmalynin »

unmole wrote: post #204
pmalynin wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given your attitude you would have said the same thing about Poland, Sudetenland or when Austria invaded Serbia.

Invasion of Poland literally triggered WW2 with the UK and France declaring war against Germany. Has anything comparable happened yet? No? Then how is it different from any of the dozens of wars fought since WW2?

The UK guaranteed the independence of Poland with an agreement that in language is the same as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. The West is refusing to fulfill its current obligations under the spirit of that agreement, the same way the UK could have failed to fulfill their agreement in 1939.

So in retrospect saying “it literally triggered WW2” provides zero informational context as to the situation as it is currently happening.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by gruez »

awb wrote: post #159
Invictus0 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about "Let's give all the Russians wet willies?"

There’s no clear line on free speech so we could do endless hypotheticals, but the line has never been at 0% or 100% of all possible speech. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex... > Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that inc…

The US legal standard is imminent lawless action, not just any lawless action. I doubt that some a HN/facebook commenter is going to cause hoardes of people into pour into russia and do illegal action, so that hypothetical is probably legal under US law.
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