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Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

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Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#41

It may well be less deadly, but it is far more contagious. Reinfection also seems to be not uncommon. We do not fully understand the long term effects of even a mild case, or indeed how repeated reinfection might compound any such effects, given that we might expect to catch it once or twice a year as opposed to once or twice in our lives for flu.

> "given that we might expect to catch it once or twice a year"

There is absolutely no reason to expect that.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#42

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The flu once mutated to be very deadly, and there's no particular reason it couldn't happen again. For all anybody really knows, the next super deadly flu strain might show up tomorrow. Are you going to spend your life terrified of this "what if" scenario too?

>Are you going to spend your life terrified of this "what if" scenario too? This might be worth reviewing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

The sentiment could have been worded better, but the principle cuts both ways, and you could opt to (charitably) read it as a sincere, well-intentioned challenge to the assumptions that govern how we respond to risks. "Terrified" was definitely not the best word; bad word choices happen!

These COVID threads are almost always garbage, but we can't make them better by throttling people for writing snarkily; if there's something of value to take from a comment on these threads, everyone will have to do the work of mining it out.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#44

It may well be less deadly, but it is far more contagious. Reinfection also seems to be not uncommon. We do not fully understand the long term effects of even a mild case, or indeed how repeated reinfection might compound any such effects, given that we might expect to catch it once or twice a year as opposed to once or twice in our lives for flu.

> "once or twice in our lives for flu." I guess some people are more susceptible than others (or have more risk due to lifestyle factors), but only once or twice in a lifetime ? I'd guess I've had a really bad flu at least once every 4-5 years or so on average in my lifetime, and moderate cases probably every 1-2 years. I had Covid twice as well, within a year (both times in 2020, before vaccines were available).

I am not sure I've ever had the flu. Haven't had a severe viral illness in decades. Wouldn't want to say I remember well further back than that.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#45

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an even greater way to destroy your immune system? dying from covid!

Or I don't die from covid, and my toddler has lifelong slight disadvantage in language acquisition due to hysteria.

good point, many asian countries (where public masking has been commonplace well before covid) have notoriously terrible students and learning issues.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#46

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enjoy your long covid! https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2022/03/living-with-covid-mo...

"Long Covid" is mainly just hypochondria. A lot less of it is real than the hype would have you believe. The media loves spooky stuff because it generates clicks. Hypochondriacs are a thing: they are out there. Some of them have gotten Covid-19, and that of course turns into their new obsession.

Hypochondriacs do exist in the world, but I think you're being very dismissive.

Lung scarring is certainly real and can take a long time (up to a year) to fully heal. This isn't imaginary: lung function and capacity can be quantified and measured.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#47

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You do realize there is a happy middle ground between hiding inside forever and pretending COVID doesn't exist, right?

Yes, that middle ground is stopping all required COVID mitigations and let people live their lives as they did before. COVID is here to stay. Time to start treating it like every other endemic disease. ps Pretty sure the comment you responded to was sarcasm.

We should require ventilation improvements in buildings. Small cost that makes life better for everyone that uses the building.

Should also try to push back against a culture of going to work and similar when blatantly symptomatic (I don't want a cold, I don't care if it is mild, I don't want it).

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#48

It may well be less deadly, but it is far more contagious. Reinfection also seems to be not uncommon. We do not fully understand the long term effects of even a mild case, or indeed how repeated reinfection might compound any such effects, given that we might expect to catch it once or twice a year as opposed to once or twice in our lives for flu.

We don't fully understand the long-term effects of COVID, but there's not much we can realistically do about it (short of continuing the push to get everyone vaccinated). There is little evidence that NPIs are meaningfully effective at scale, at least when practiced in a way compatible with the normal functioning of society.

I'm much more sympathetic to the death rate concerns (admittedly: Omicron makes it easy to have that kind of sympathy) than to the long-COVID stuff. Appeals to long-COVID all seem like an appeal to an application of the Precautionary Principle that, taken to any sort of logical conclusion, would shut down society. You can do shutdowns (and I supported them!) to manage an acute crisis, but you can't generally do them as a precaution.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

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So were you going through life wearing a mask to mitigate the risk of a deadly flu in 2018 and before? I think probably not, but if your priority is risk mitigation, shouldn't you have been? Risk mitigation is not my priority. If it were, I'd never ride my bike again, even with my helmet. I'd never go kayaking, or rock climbing. I wouldn't swim in lakes, and you'd never catch me in the ocean. If I were preparing for…

> So were you going through life wearing a mask to mitigate the risk of a deadly flu in 2018 and before? I think probably not, but if your priority is risk mitigation, shouldn't you have been? No because those flu viruses were not novel, or as deadly. When there is a large degree of uncertainty (like a deadly novel virus), I personally tend towards caution and am fine being too cautious rather than not cautious enoug…

> No because those flu viruses were not novel, or as deadly.

That information always lags reality. When/if the next deadly flu strain emerges, it will have emerged before it is discovered to have emerged. If you're not planning for this scenario, are you really planning for the worst case? You could be Patient Zero for Spanish Flu Part Two, with your preemptive masking being the difference between global disaster and nothingburger.

Re: Vaccines and Omicron mean Covid now less deadly than flu in England

#50

It may well be less deadly, but it is far more contagious. Reinfection also seems to be not uncommon. We do not fully understand the long term effects of even a mild case, or indeed how repeated reinfection might compound any such effects, given that we might expect to catch it once or twice a year as opposed to once or twice in our lives for flu.

"once or twice in our lives" flu is a seasonal illness, unless you're a complete shut in, you get it much more frequently than that, considering the modern diets and vitamin deficiencies.

Except that is not true. We get the common cold quite often, but real flu very rarely. If you get the flu you know about it - it is much more severe than the common cold (which is why it kills people).
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