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Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by typon »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #437
HeckFeck wrote: post #153

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For me, this move by DDG will have the opposite effect of what is intended. I will now trust my own media and sources even less, if they rely on silencing the competition and insist on controlling what I access "for my own good". Such dirty tactics are insulting, even more so when delivered under a sneering benevolent guise. As if they have perfect knowledge of my motives and wishes. What if I'm genuinely curious as…

This whole Ukraine war teached me a thing I haven't noticed before: I simply can't trust ANY media, search engine, or social network anymore. It's a sad state of affairs, but since the invasion started my only source of "news" related to the war is a few, and I a said a FEW, Youtube channels. I'm brazilian and one channel I recommend is Fernando Ulrich's channel. He interviewed (in english) a lot people (ukrainians,…

Liberals are trying to cancel Mearsheimer for his views on the causes of this war and his geopolitics in general. So fret not, soon you won't have ANY voice opposing American mainstream opinion.

Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by axiomsEnd »

Tainnor wrote: post #198
hnuser847 wrote: post #18

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> In case someone hasn't noticed, there is a war going on in Europe. That is a circumstance where some of these cases apply. Indeed, there's a war going on and there's a tremendous amount of propaganda being circulated from both sides. The question is, why is DDG okay with amplifying Ukranian/NATO propaganda and not Russian propaganda? Is it because NATO is the "good" guy and Russia is the "bad" guy? When the US inva…

The Iraq war was wrong and stupid, it should never have happened. But that's just whataboutism. It doesn't make the Ukraine war or Russian disinformation any better to point out that the United States have messed up spectacularly more than just once. One difference, though, is that GWB never put anyone in prison for talking about the Iraq "war" or about how much the US government lied about WMD. > Is it because NATO…

If a war is just a TV news about no-one-really-cares part of Europe it's easy to treat it as another topic for debate and partisan discussion about USA. Because from my perspective this is main shift of the discussion - Russia, Ukraine, other bordering countries and their complicated history - they are being pushed away to discuss USA politics.

I see refugees every day, on train station and in line near passport office, and I know how Russia influences politics of my country for years, and well, not for the better. I'm also not the biggest fan of USA, but it's really weird seeing how the whole story about Russia influence becomes basically "USA was worst".

Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #232
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #183

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> The arrogance of these people is astounding. The arrogance to think that DDG should change their business to revolve around you personally is astounding.

I'm curious what you think the value of this comment is. You aren't trying to convince the person you responded to. The rest of us in the "I really liked DDG but am upset by this decision" bucket aren't the targets of this either. Even other users who are less opinionated on this move inherently want DDG to care about them as users! Do you think there is some squad of super pro-corporation folks your point is selling…

The poster threw a temper tantrum so I wanted to point out their ironic arrogance.

It's also a bit tone deaf considering current events in Europe right now. This goes a little further than merely down ranking different opinions- these are weapons in a war that's currently being waged.

Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by spoils19 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #356
spoils19 wrote: post #344

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It is not transparent what kind of curations take place to return the results. You cannot have a free market without transparency, and while DDG are announcing this now, they have no obligation to in the future. Previously the status quo was "we don't curate", now it's "we curate but announce it". What's the chance that they will no longer announce it in the future?

> It is not transparent what kind of curations take place to return the results. This is true for all search engines because it's literally impossible to return even half decent results if everyone knows your algorithm. It'll just be pages and pages of SEO nonsense. If you believed for even a second that search engines can exist without curating you haven't been thinking very hard. Not curating would only ensure that…

> you haven't been thinking very hard

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Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by colinmhayes »

Gareth321 wrote: post #441
diego_moita wrote: post #11

Good! One more reason for me to remain a DDG user. This is the behaviour of responsible and accountable adults. "Censoring" is a word very badly understood and prone to manipulation. There are a lot of circumstances where suppression of information/opinion is justified: protecting intellectual property and copyrights, blocking doxing, prevent haters from doing harm against others, protection of military secrets or pe…

>Also, freedom of speech is a principle applied on the relation of people with the state, an issue for public law. This is about a private enterprise and its relations with its users, subject to the regulation of private law. This is absolutely not what the principle of free speech is. Private companies censoring information can be every bit as insidious and damaging to society, and of course falls under the umbrella…

Imagine thinking that excluding literal disinformation when it is not requested is a poor search result. The job of the search engine is to provide people the information they want. Not showing people lies when they want facts seems to be exactly the correct decision.

Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by ipaddr »

colinmhayes wrote: post #356
spoils19 wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not transparent what kind of curations take place to return the results. You cannot have a free market without transparency, and while DDG are announcing this now, they have no obligation to in the future. Previously the status quo was "we don't curate", now it's "we curate but announce it". What's the chance that they will no longer announce it in the future?

> It is not transparent what kind of curations take place to return the results. This is true for all search engines because it's literally impossible to return even half decent results if everyone knows your algorithm. It'll just be pages and pages of SEO nonsense. If you believed for even a second that search engines can exist without curating you haven't been thinking very hard. Not curating would only ensure that…

Could it work?

A search engine based on popularity is the basis of google 2004.

What no one has done is a search engine where you can select who's version of what's popular to use. What do people in my area.. My age group.. My shared interest visit when they search 'eye blush'

Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”

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Post by shapefrog »

pydry wrote: post #469
colpabar wrote: post #463

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It's insane to me that people don't think this way. The mainstream US media, in perfect lockstep with the gov, told us all that iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and then we found out it was a complete fabrication. And most of those people still have jobs!

Meanwhile Russia concocts evidence of chemical weapons labs and those same people who believed in WMDs cant fathom how Russians could fall for this shit....

While simultaneously people who rant constantly about "mainstream meadia" claim that because RT broadcast it, that it must be true and can in no way be propaganda.
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