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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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>It's ridiculous to assume that "I hate my neighbor and am going to kill him" and "there's a Russian army invading my city, we should set up an ambush" should be held to the same standard of speech Yeah, those examples are the easy ones. What about "we should genocide russians"? Where does that lie on your spectrum? Should facebook be allowing such speech?

No

What about "Let's give all the Russians wet willies?"

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Hate is hate. Morality is absolute, not relative.

Even as a moral absolutist myself that's a laughable oversimplification bordering on deliberate obtuseness. Obviously all hate is not the same. You call for the extermination of covid-19 and nobody will disagree with you. You call for the extermination of mosquitos and most people won't disagree with you. You call for the extermination of destructive invasive species and a majority of people will agree with you. Some…

> Hating someone because of their race is not acceptable. Hating someone because they invaded your country and bombed your fleeing women and children is acceptable.

But the regulations apply to "Russians and Russian soldiers", not just the invaders. Would you be okay with calls of violence against saudi civilians because of their government's involvement in the 9/11 attacks?

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It's not a misnomer. And, asserting NATO air dominance in Ukraine is easy and guaranteed to succeed with de minimis cost (in lives and/or military equipment). Whereas creating land dominance with tanks is another matter. A no-fly zone is an easy win for NATO and would make Ukrainian civilians safe from aerial bombardment.

A no fly-zone officially drags NATO into the conflict and WW3 kicks off.

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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What the actual fuck is wrong with these people? Calling for literal violence against Russians is less dangerous than claiming masks aren't helpful? Is there something here I'm not getting?

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"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.

>>A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. Its not a misnomer at all - it is exactly what it says it is - might not be a good idea, but calling it a 'no-fly zone' is completely accurate.

Yeah, it means, “We fly, you don’t.” Or maybe, “No Ukrainian or Russian aircraft - NATO aircraft will shoot down both.”

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Which brakes? Russia's attack on Ukraine? Sure, let's stop or slow that down, but how?

it's unbecoming to willfully misinterpret someone's statement in order to make a point distinct from that which they were making, and then to go on to agree with said willful misinterpretation.

Sarcasm is unbecoming, but only because it's a thinly disguised insult. Read that comment as "What you just said was so egregiously stupid that I'm going to show that by pretending that you meant something different". Put that way, it would be clearly inappropriate for HN, so they use sarcasm as a fig leaf.

It might be more becoming to say "Many people are dying and I think it's inappropriate to use a generic, vague expression pertaining to this other, much less directly violent thing." Or words to that effect. But I'm not surprised that the GP post was so shocked by the phrasing that they resorted to sarcasm instead.

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No matter how much you (as well as I) hate the fact that private platforms can impose or change their moderation rules unfairly on who ever they want, whenever they want and no matter how hypocritical they are, they are still private platforms and can do whatever they want even if it is against their own terms of service. Ultimately, they don't care and they are on no-one's side. Thus, they will never change. Outrage…

If they were truly private platforms they would be liable for what's said on them. You could sue them for hate speech and libel, etc.

That doesn't really follow. Private toll road operators aren't liable for accidents that happen on them due to driver negligence, for example - but they're still private.

And you can still sue people for hate speech and libel if they post such on Facebook. You just can't sue Facebook itself.

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Jake thought about how he would conduct his morning routine that day. He brought the razor closer to his face as he stared at another face in the mirror. He looked at the template as a way to guide his desired look.

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"You want to kill some Russians today. Meet at these coordinates to sync with the rest of your Circle."

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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I can't believe this is real. Zuckerberg might not be the brightest guy but I can't believe he could be that stupid. I hope Meta will back down and apologize very soon.

He's anything but stupid.

>"They trust me — dumb fucks"

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

The Israeli military is arming and training the neo-nazi militias in Ukraine. There are even Orthodox Jews who joined the Azov neo-nazi militias to defend Ukraine. Sometimes it can be complicated.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again...

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-isr...

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