Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by mrtksn » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

That's appalling and will be one of the last coffins on foreign run communication systems everywhere.

Can you imagine that some techies in California start deciding which people are to be attacked in your country or by your country? It's also probably not techies that are deciding that but that's not the point.

That's such a nation security threat that no country with sane government can afford to allow. Wars, genocides can not only be facilitated but also initiated and commanded by these social media.

And considering all the Machiavellian thinking going on, you can actually expect things to be done. French wine is inconvenience for the Californian farmers maybe? The French lately aren't really that active with ad buys anyway, why not design timelines to induce social unrest in France giving a kick to the American winemakers?

It is known that Facebook studied manipulation of emotions through curation of the user timelines[0].

Also, isn't that against Apple's AppStore guidelines? Apple should remove Instagram and Facebook from the AppStore immediately.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook...

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by gruez » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

igravious wrote: post #41

tharne wrote: post #15

What could possibly go wrong?

Let's do something about this. What should we do?

Allow any and all speech that comply with local regulations, with exception granted for commercial speech (ie. spam/advertising). Don't give out victim cards.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by bushbaba » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

barbacoa wrote: post #21

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

Or the defense that they "can't" censor for the government.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by older » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

LittleMoveBig wrote: post #3

> call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion Kinda have to ask, would this include calls for violence against the ethnic Russian populations in eastern Ukraine? edit: Reuters has added that including a location with the calls for death will be considered an "indicator of credibility" that is still prohibited.

Yeah, about violence against the ethnic Russian populations in eastern Ukraine - doesn't seem that Russia needs any help there. Russians are bombing and killing civilians in those Russian speaking cities even without permission from facebook.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by causality0 » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #12

numeromancer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All hate is hate, but some hate is more hate than others." -- Hypocrite Valley

I would love to see a rise of alternative BigTech (FB, Google, Apple, Microsoft). Not the Parlor kind, but more leaning towards libertarian values and the foundational principles of the United States. Perhaps based in the East Coast: Philadelphia, Chicago or Boston.

Not big tech, but an internet version of a post office. That is, a government-provided at-cost presence on the web linked to your real identity that can't be taken away from you without a court order and whose only rules are the laws of the United States. I don't think we have it in us, though.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by usernomdeguerre » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

barbacoa wrote: post #21

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

You may not even be able to express calls for peace and be a conscientious objector! https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/china-censors...

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by atlantas » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

"I used to be fairly optimistic that we could get through a period of consistently higher tensions with China without provoking a huge racist freakout against Asian Americans but the current reaction against all things Russian is causing me to revise that way way way downward."

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1501990346170978304

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by Melatonic » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

LittleMoveBig wrote: post #25

Johnny555 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which brakes? Russia's attack on Ukraine? Sure, let's stop or slow that down, but how?

I would imagine the parent is referring to some of the more "Freedom Fries"-esque excesses of Russophobia, like canceling Tchaikovsky from symphony programs, discarding Russian vodka, banning Russian cat breeds from competitions, etc

Plot twist: There is a Russian Blue Kitten controlling Putin all along :-)

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by dirtyid » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

FB / Twitter was kicked out of PRC for not banning calls for violence against Uyghurs in response to ethnic riots. Granted it was lack of capability to censor on PRC scale at the time, and they're essentially now banned in RU. Still one of the more blatant bullet point affirming western social media platforms are ultimately western foreign policy instruments - no different from PRC - while only matter of time before blowback affects RU diaspora living in west. But still not as low as cold shouldering paralympic athletes.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by kipchak » Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #13

It's ridiculous to assume that "I hate my neighbor and am going to kill him" and "there's a Russian army invading my city, we should set up an ambush" should be held to the same standard of speech. Of course, a larger question is whether Facebook should be the arbiter for this in the first place, but then the content is posted on their own private platform, and unlike a lot of people here I still think they should ha…

If I'm reading it correctly "violence against Russians and Russian soldiers" seems like it would apply to both civilians and soldiers.