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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things.

[0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All hate is hate, but some hate is more hate than others." -- Hypocrite Valley

I would love to see a rise of alternative BigTech (FB, Google, Apple, Microsoft). Not the Parlor kind, but more leaning towards libertarian values and the foundational principles of the United States. Perhaps based in the East Coast: Philadelphia, Chicago or Boston.

What would that look like? A messenger app or forum, sure I can see that, we have 4chan, but I'm having a hard time envisioning a whole bigtech corp embodying those ideals or even what those ideals are that would be embodied.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All hate is hate, but some hate is more hate than others." -- Hypocrite Valley

I would love to see a rise of alternative BigTech (FB, Google, Apple, Microsoft). Not the Parlor kind, but more leaning towards libertarian values and the foundational principles of the United States. Perhaps based in the East Coast: Philadelphia, Chicago or Boston.

that's the stated goal of Gab and its sub-brands, but [insert reasons for why they're bad here]

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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post #5

On a pedantic level, saying NATO should impose a no-fly-zone is a call to violence. Did these platform ever forbid calls for State-sanctioned force? I would have assumed that these parts of the user terms were referring to unsanctioned, or otherwise criminal violence.

"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#25

maybe it's time to pump the brakes a bit

Which brakes? Russia's attack on Ukraine? Sure, let's stop or slow that down, but how?

I would imagine the parent is referring to some of the more "Freedom Fries"-esque excesses of Russophobia, like canceling Tchaikovsky from symphony programs, discarding Russian vodka, banning Russian cat breeds from competitions, etc

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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post #5

On a pedantic level, saying NATO should impose a no-fly-zone is a call to violence. Did these platform ever forbid calls for State-sanctioned force? I would have assumed that these parts of the user terms were referring to unsanctioned, or otherwise criminal violence.

> On a pedantic level

Well, if you're going to be pedantic:

There's a fundamental distinction, which you're missing, between initiated force and defensive force.

When someone robs or murders, that's initiated force. When the police use force to stop a robber or murderer, that's defensive force.

A "call to violence" is only applicable to initiated force.

For example, if I say, "let's murder Bob," that's a call to violence. If I say, "The police should arrest the murderer of Bob," that's not a call to violence.

Calling for a NATO no-fly zone is calling for defensive force, not initiated force, and thus is not a "call to violence."

I hope you can see how unjust and absurd it would be to call the defense of innocents a "call to violence."

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#27

maybe it's time to pump the brakes a bit

Which brakes? Russia's attack on Ukraine? Sure, let's stop or slow that down, but how?

it's unbecoming to willfully misinterpret someone's statement in order to make a point distinct from that which they were making, and then to go on to agree with said willful misinterpretation.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Sometimes I think what would happen if China invades Taiwan? Would FB and IG still allow calls for violence against Chinese? I am pretty sure many people will change their tunes when it comes to China, similar to what happened regarding COVID.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#29
post #5

On a pedantic level, saying NATO should impose a no-fly-zone is a call to violence. Did these platform ever forbid calls for State-sanctioned force? I would have assumed that these parts of the user terms were referring to unsanctioned, or otherwise criminal violence.

"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.

Not a good reason

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see a rise of alternative BigTech (FB, Google, Apple, Microsoft). Not the Parlor kind, but more leaning towards libertarian values and the foundational principles of the United States. Perhaps based in the East Coast: Philadelphia, Chicago or Boston.

that's the stated goal of Gab and its sub-brands, but [insert reasons for why they're bad here]

The CTO of gab posts here and he was actively pushing Russian propoganda pre-invasion
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