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#183Seriously what the f*ck makes Gabriel Weinberg think that myself, or anyone else, gives a damn about his personal opinion on what I should and should not be reading. The arrogance of these people is astounding. Also, absolutely zero of the standard base of Duck Duck Go users are the kind of people who don't understand what a Russian state controlled news site is, and why one would have to be careful reading it. Those…
> The arrogance of these people is astounding.
The arrogance to think that DDG should change their business to revolve around you personally is astounding.
Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”
#184Seriously what the f*ck makes Gabriel Weinberg think that myself, or anyone else, gives a damn about his personal opinion on what I should and should not be reading. The arrogance of these people is astounding. Also, absolutely zero of the standard base of Duck Duck Go users are the kind of people who don't understand what a Russian state controlled news site is, and why one would have to be careful reading it. Those…
Why use startpage? Google’s results are biased in both political and non-political ways.
All else being equal (and now they are with DDG admitting bias), google is better
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#185I tried DDG for a few weeks... Google is still better, even though its as bad as it's ever been. Really need some disruption here.
DDGs search has gotten worse as it has gotten more active. I don't know this to be true, but it seems like their old search results felt too Wild West for prime time to them, so before they began the radio/tv/billboard ad blitz they changed things on the backend for the worse.
Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”
#186Seriously what the f*ck makes Gabriel Weinberg think that myself, or anyone else, gives a damn about his personal opinion on what I should and should not be reading. The arrogance of these people is astounding. Also, absolutely zero of the standard base of Duck Duck Go users are the kind of people who don't understand what a Russian state controlled news site is, and why one would have to be careful reading it. Those…
This is a weird stance to take about a search engine which is "tell me what to read as a service." Like you're literally using them to surface the wheat from the chaff. The algorithm that ranks results is already biased as hell and sometimes it's going to get it wrong. Google surfacing lots of stackoverflow spam sites isn't "unbiased" it's junk and manual correction is totally fine.
There's a difference between a low level filtering algorithm and manually curated results based on politics.
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#187To be honest age of DuckDuckGo as alternative search engine is over. I switched to Brave Search and not going back. It's giving me better results, along with quick Google link to jump to Google if needed (instead of manually typing !g before result). And they maintain own independent search index compared to DuckDuckGo, which gets most of it's results from Bing.
Their results are scraped from users using Google so I wouldn’t call it independent and I wonder how long it will last.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
And in this specific case, it feels more like quality control of state-sponsored spam. You can still find these sites—they come up first if you look for them directly, they're just treated as the low quality information than they are.
Some people consume information from outlets like Al Jazeera because they would like something which might be a little more distanced from the West than things like Anglo outlets.
Right, but Al Jazeera is more like the BBC than it is like RT. I don't see anyone making a quality-based argument to downrank it, and I would disagree with them if they did.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
... are you saying Russian disinformation does not have obvious indicators of SEO manipulation? That would be a pretty big change for them.
Yes ... Unless your "indicator" is "deviates from the Washington narrative", which is totally ridiculous.
I don't know what you're basing that last sentence on. Disinformation is infamous for leveraging black-hat SEO techniques. CF for example https://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/disinformation-o...
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
"unbiased" doesn't mean "unfiltered". For example, I don't want spam or malware in my search results. Search results should return good information that is relevant to your query, and filter out anything that is not that.
What if I'm doing research on the specific types of misinformation? I don't want results of sites telling me the misinformation is going on, but I want the actual bits of misinformation for proper attribution. There's always edge cases
If you search "Ukraine news RT" on DDG you get Ukraine news from RT. It's still there if you look for it. It just isn't near the top of a "Ukraine news" query (I assume you'd find it there eventually if you scroll enough)