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Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by andyking »

fhars wrote: post #14
Auguste wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slackware and Arch Linux are great options if you're interested in exploring something a little more advanced. You'll have to put more work into setting up your system, particularly at first, but you will learn a lot more about how Linux works. They kind of throw you in the deep end, but they both have plenty of good documentation. On the other hand, if you're looking for something not too far from Ubuntu, Debian or…

Well, I started with slackware (well, actually SuSE when it was still a rebranded slackware, around linux 1.0.8ish), and I don't really want to dive into deep ends for my work machines anymore, I just want them to work and be moderately up to date. Ubuntu looked so promising at 7.04...

I use 10.04 LTS on work machines (by which I mean, machines at my workplace) simply because things stay the same on it and I'm not going to get calls saying "this huge colourful bar has appeared on the left of my screen, what on earth is it, and furthermore where on earth is my Thunderbird menu bar?". We have a lot of older users who are not especially computer-literate, so an interface that doesn't change is valuable to us.

The machines are also fairly ageing, and don't support the composited desktop. I did test Ubuntu 11.10 beta on one, but it was so slow (with what I assume was Unity 2D) that it would be unusable for day-to-day work. All we use at work are Chrome, Thunderbird, OpenOffice and Audacity - why would we need Unity? Why can't we turn it off?

For me, Ubuntu definitely peaked at 10.04 and I'm going to be looking elsewhere in the near future.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by elehack »

fhars wrote: post #10

Oh my god is that embarrassing. Some meaningless marketing spew, some social network stealth tracking widgets, and not a single link to any meaningful information. After the recent interresting design choices, the unity disaster and now this it is probably time to look for a distribution that doesn't think of it's users as mindless drones easily distracted by empty shiny things. Any recommendations?

While it's taken flack for Gnome Shell, I switched to Fedora when Unity was coming down the pike and have been very happy (and actually like Gnome Shell).

And the Gnome people seem to have gotten at least some of the message gurkendoktor mentions in another thread - they have screenshots of the core features of the product in action and videos showing how different UI flows work.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by andyking »

phzbOx wrote: post #18
phzbOx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Archlinux.. Everytime I re-install it and see "make command not found" is a priceless moment for me. You really build your own OS over time.. installing only what you need. Everything is kept simple (simple as in there's not 10 levels of abstraction to change a keybinding or whatever). Maybe the most important thing about arch is the package manager (pacman); it's simply great.

Oh, something great about Arch also is the documentation. It's awesome; the best I've seen so far.

As long as you've read up on the subject beforehand, their forums are also really helpful. A few times, I've asked a question on the Ubuntu forums and been met with dead air, but while the people on the Arch site can be a little short with people who ask questions before searching and reading, if you obviously have, they're more than helpful.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by rbanffy »

wisty wrote: post #6
stephank wrote: post #2

Here are the beta 2 release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta... I probably missed it; what's so radical about this release? It's not even an LTS.

LTS releases are actually pretty boring, for obvious reasons. Unity is probably getting more usable. It's now got a pretty built-in backup tool. The App store thingy is better. There's something called juju, which is a "DevOps" branded deployment package, or something. It uses words "cloud", "DevOps", "charms" (wtf?) and so on, and is probably just a wrapper on apt-get, but hey, we all need new buzzwords (and I'll lo…

> and is probably just a wrapper on apt-get

Not at all.

Juju is for quickly assembling servers or clusters on AWS or any OpenStack-compatible platform. The charms are what you use to define what the machines provide and what they require to work in order to let juju assemble the whole thing for you. I was with some of the guys working on it until yesterday, at the PythonBrasil conference. They made a couple presentations on it.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by rbanffy »

fhars wrote: post #10

Oh my god is that embarrassing. Some meaningless marketing spew, some social network stealth tracking widgets, and not a single link to any meaningful information. After the recent interresting design choices, the unity disaster and now this it is probably time to look for a distribution that doesn't think of it's users as mindless drones easily distracted by empty shiny things. Any recommendations?

> and not a single link to any meaningful information

How hard is it to type "ubuntu" in your browser?

It's a countdown.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by phzbOx »

andyking wrote: post #23
phzbOx wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, something great about Arch also is the documentation. It's awesome; the best I've seen so far.

As long as you've read up on the subject beforehand, their forums are also really helpful. A few times, I've asked a question on the Ubuntu forums and been met with dead air, but while the people on the Arch site can be a little short with people who ask questions before searching and reading, if you obviously have, they're more than helpful.

Asking without searching first is disrespectful against users of that forum who spend time to answer questions. It's a little bit like saying "Instead of wasting 30secs of my life to search and try on my own, I'll waste 30secs of yours." Personally, when someone asks something.. and I can paste their exact question and get a well done tutorial on the subject, I don't feel like answering. For a total beginner, obviously, that's different.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by darasen »

Auguste wrote: post #11
fhars wrote: post #10

Oh my god is that embarrassing. Some meaningless marketing spew, some social network stealth tracking widgets, and not a single link to any meaningful information. After the recent interresting design choices, the unity disaster and now this it is probably time to look for a distribution that doesn't think of it's users as mindless drones easily distracted by empty shiny things. Any recommendations?

Slackware and Arch Linux are great options if you're interested in exploring something a little more advanced. You'll have to put more work into setting up your system, particularly at first, but you will learn a lot more about how Linux works. They kind of throw you in the deep end, but they both have plenty of good documentation. On the other hand, if you're looking for something not too far from Ubuntu, Debian or…

Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu but does not use Unity. It also includes some extras not included in Ubuntu by default such as MP3 codecs.

Re: New Ubuntu in 9 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 29 seconds

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Post by viraptor »

elehack wrote: post #22
fhars wrote: post #10

Oh my god is that embarrassing. Some meaningless marketing spew, some social network stealth tracking widgets, and not a single link to any meaningful information. After the recent interresting design choices, the unity disaster and now this it is probably time to look for a distribution that doesn't think of it's users as mindless drones easily distracted by empty shiny things. Any recommendations?

While it's taken flack for Gnome Shell, I switched to Fedora when Unity was coming down the pike and have been very happy (and actually like Gnome Shell). And the Gnome people seem to have gotten at least some of the message gurkendoktor mentions in another thread - they have screenshots of the core features of the product in action and videos showing how different UI flows work.

If the UI is all you had problems with, then why switch the whole distribution instead of installing the same gnome shell?

Even softpedia provides a way to do it: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-GNOME-3-on-Ubu...

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