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Re: Ruby Together

#41

Post by daitangio »

Last week I compared RubyOnRails (RoR) and Python Django.

For rapid prototyping, I think RoR has still something to say.

I like Django but I see little use (correct me, if I am wrong) from big Startups.

I was able to setup a tiny custom status page with RoR picking a module found on the web, and starting customizing the app for my own goals.

AngularJS and React are the king on the frontend in this years, so the Django/RoR approach seems a bit "old"; nerveless on RoR guides you find a way to use RoR only as an "API" Layer, so integrating it with an Angular frontend, for instance.

And with K8s and microservices, scaling is not a big issue if you code a share-nothing stack.

Re: Ruby Together

#42

Post by jstummbillig »

mooreds wrote: post #3
aerovistae wrote: post #2

I'm a a typescript/java engineer. I would say my lifetime code stats are probably around 40% JS / 35% Typescript / 15% Java / 8% Python / 2% other. That is to say, I've barely ever written any Ruby outside of the occasional little script. And yet it's secretly my favorite language. I wish I wasn't afraid that demand for it would vanish over time, which makes me reluctant to invest skills in its ecosystem. It seems so…

What would convince you? * top companies using it? (shopify, github, stripe) * number of stars on github for projects? https://github.com/rails/rails has 50k stars * place in the Redmonk language rankings? https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-2... shows it at #9 * ability to get a good paying job? https://marketing.dice.com/pdf/2020/Dice_2020_Tech_Salary_Re... has the ruby salary at 114k, more t…

There is no need to sway anyone because there is nothing to sway. Javascript is eating the web and interest in Ruby/Rails is declining, measurably: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0...

That is not to say that you can't get a job and you might win the market by doing something increasingly rare in relatively high demand. Or you might not. Or you might do ruby for a multitude of other reasons but relative popularity better not be one.

Re: Ruby Together

#43

Post by pizza234 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #42
mooreds wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would convince you? * top companies using it? (shopify, github, stripe) * number of stars on github for projects? https://github.com/rails/rails has 50k stars * place in the Redmonk language rankings? https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-2... shows it at #9 * ability to get a good paying job? https://marketing.dice.com/pdf/2020/Dice_2020_Tech_Salary_Re... has the ruby salary at 114k, more t…

There is no need to sway anyone because there is nothing to sway. Javascript is eating the web and interest in Ruby/Rails is declining, measurably: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0... That is not to say that you can't get a job and you might win the market by doing something increasingly rare in relatively high demand. Or you might not. Or you might do ruby for a multitude of other reasons…

Fun thing (or not, depending on how one sees it): the trends of "Ruby" and "Ruby on Rails" match almost exactly:

- https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0...

- https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0...

But this is well known :)

Re: Ruby Together

#44

Post by pizza234 »

Lio wrote: post #37
fishtoaster wrote: post #34

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I'll be honest, I'm worried too. I'm a fullstack dev, but I consider myself a decent rubyist. I've been writing it for about 10 years and have spoken at rubyconf a few times. All else being equal, I just like the language itself. The points others make here are true, there are a ton of ruby shops, and demand for someone with a couple years of rails experience is still quite high. But the issue is not where ruby is no…

You haven’t really said why you think people will suddenly stop founding companies with Ruby on Rails. People have been saying Ruby on Rails will go no where since it launched. So far their 5 year predictions have always been wrong. Personally, I think startups are exciting. I think Rails will still be a favourite with startups in 5 years time because it lets you build MVPs fast. It gives you sensible defaults for th…

No language ever dies, so talking about Rails disappearing is nonsense.

On the other hand, the interest in it is simply declining, and consistently so (check out the Google trends post above).

> Ruby is finally improving it’s static analysis, async and threading weaknesses.

They're great things (not sure if with "static analysis" you refer to static typing), although threading will never be realistically adopted, giving the 25+ years long history of thread-unsafety (both in terms of library and culture).

Re: Ruby Together

#45

Post by pizza234 »

ornornor wrote: post #33
jnathsf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're hiring Ruby engineers. Check my bio to drop me a note.

I couldn’t find any job opening or description on cityinnovate.com — would be nice to know what you’re looking for, salary range, location etc.

They probably refer to this (Company -> Careers): https://www.cityinnovate.com/careers/senior-engineer-remote.

Re: Ruby Together

#46

Post by jambalaya »

aerovistae wrote: post #11
mooreds wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would convince you? * top companies using it? (shopify, github, stripe) * number of stars on github for projects? https://github.com/rails/rails has 50k stars * place in the Redmonk language rankings? https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-2... shows it at #9 * ability to get a good paying job? https://marketing.dice.com/pdf/2020/Dice_2020_Tech_Salary_Re... has the ruby salary at 114k, more t…

It didn't come across as combative at all, no worries. I find it pretty convincing to be honest. If anything I think the biggest hold-up is that I can get jobs as a senior front-end engineer but if I looked for Ruby jobs I'd kind of be taking 2 steps back down in terms of what I can contribute. Frankly I'm not a fast learner, unfortunately. Although it's possible that I've convinced myself of that because I hate the…

We're hiring for Ruby/Rails. We're also hiring JS. I've used Ruby/Rails my entire career and don't plan on switching. Pay seems good. Definitely more JS jobs of course but I'm happy with what I'm doing and making. I bet you can pick it up in no time.

Re: Ruby Together

#47

Post by berkes »

daitangio wrote: post #41

Last week I compared RubyOnRails (RoR) and Python Django. For rapid prototyping, I think RoR has still something to say. I like Django but I see little use (correct me, if I am wrong) from big Startups. I was able to setup a tiny custom status page with RoR picking a module found on the web, and starting customizing the app for my own goals. AngularJS and React are the king on the frontend in this years, so the Djang…

My take is that Django is stronger for websites: leaning slighly more towards a selfbuilt CMS. Whereas Rails is stronger for webapps. With a large overlap, and only slightly so.

But that both lack severely for complex business flows, -logic and integrations. Both are strong for CRUD cases, with accidental workflows attached to those operations. But that both lack tooling, and have the wrong architecture, to support complex, intermingled, businesslogic over time.

Re: Ruby Together

#48

Post by ornornor »

pizza234 wrote: post #45
ornornor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn’t find any job opening or description on cityinnovate.com — would be nice to know what you’re looking for, salary range, location etc.

They probably refer to this (Company -> Careers): https://www.cityinnovate.com/careers/senior-engineer-remote .

Ha, thanks. Missed it on mobile.

Re: Ruby Together

#50

Post by krainboltgreene »

jstummbillig wrote: post #42
mooreds wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would convince you? * top companies using it? (shopify, github, stripe) * number of stars on github for projects? https://github.com/rails/rails has 50k stars * place in the Redmonk language rankings? https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-2... shows it at #9 * ability to get a good paying job? https://marketing.dice.com/pdf/2020/Dice_2020_Tech_Salary_Re... has the ruby salary at 114k, more t…

There is no need to sway anyone because there is nothing to sway. Javascript is eating the web and interest in Ruby/Rails is declining, measurably: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0... That is not to say that you can't get a job and you might win the market by doing something increasingly rare in relatively high demand. Or you might not. Or you might do ruby for a multitude of other reasons…

this is exactly how i would expect hackernews users to do analysis when the question is "should i get a ruby job"
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