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Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by zdragnar »

adventured wrote: post #45
dylan604 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where you are from, but even the "mighty USofA military" could not supply its troops during the scurmishes this century. Many care packages from military parents were shipping things like bullet proof jackets etc. Some military personal were even purchasing armor for their humvees and other gear out of their own pockets. Militaries the world over are their own hell of bureaucracy

You're using temporary stories to stretch to an extrapolation that it was a longer-term context, when it wasn't. The US ramped up its armoring of humvees, built and supplied vast numbers of entirely new highly armored vehicles, and ramped up its supply of vests for soldiers. The US could supply its own troops and did. It wasn't lacking capability or funding to do so. It's borderline silly to try to compare the Ukrain…

I recall helping my friend's parents in 2008 because they were running an annual fundraiser to buy equipment for troops deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan. It started when they had to buy bullet proof vests for him for his first deployment (I dont recall the year, probably 2002 or 2004).

Now, that isn't to say their situation with Ukraine is the same, but it does demonstrate that even small donations can help in times of need.

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by vmception »

dylan604 wrote: post #37
vmception wrote: post #27

I've been thinking about how to get through to more Russian people, and its something I've had a lot of success doing with many people that live in an alternate reality, where we cannot even agree on perception. Censorship and speech restrictions aside, many Russians really think this is a peacekeeping mission that has no bloodshed. Adding to frustration of Ukrainian residents calling their own family members in Russ…

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/09/russia-propagand... Hearing how a dad trusts the state TV vs what his own son is telling him is actually going on is pretty telling.

Interesting, he says a lot of words I used. Thanks for sharing that.

Its the same with my friends in America with family in Russia. It must be a cultural thing to immediately go to "okay we're never talking again" because I'm seeing that a lot too. Its interesting that the guy in this video was saying he thought of going that way but now thinks to get smart about how to get the message across.

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by adventured »

riku_iki wrote: post #34
metadat wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for long, everyone is getting off the teet of .ru oil.

Only US, EU and allies (partially), there are plenty of countries (China, India, Pakistan, Brazil, etc) who didn't join the sanctions.

US GDP > GDP of China + India + Pakistan + Brazil.

Global reserve currency = USD.

Pakistan? Ha, comeon.

Now let's add in the other US allies (EU GDP is ~$16t-$17t, roughly equal to China; Canada and Australia both have economies larger than Russia). And we're just getting warmed up.

Most of the global economic might is with the US and its allies. Russia can be successfully smashed economically, and it'll be far easier than it was with the USSR.

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by ukie »

geoka9 wrote: post #7

There are plenty of Russians on Youtube commenting under pleas posted by Ukrainians asking them to help stop the war. And there are plenty of videos taken by people on the ground in Ukraine that show what's going on. Lots of Russians actually believe that the strikes are precision and only aimed at the military targets. There's a video recorded by a woman in Mykolaiv walking among the rubble and cursing at her Russia…

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Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by i67vw3 »

riku_iki wrote: post #34
metadat wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for long, everyone is getting off the teet of .ru oil.

Only US, EU and allies (partially), there are plenty of countries (China, India, Pakistan, Brazil, etc) who didn't join the sanctions.

I don't think these countries care about ukraine-russia conflict the way the western world cares.

Humans have biases due to tribalist nature. That is why last year no one gave a shit about the Armenia-Nagorno-Karabakh-Azerbaijan conflict. That is why no ones gives a shit about Ugyghurs.

So, West cares about ukraine, christians care about armenia, muslims care about palestian, jews care about israel, pakistan cares about kashmir, india cares about tibet, sunni cares about other sunni's while shia's care about shia's. etc.

So, western users (people) think that all the world is caring about ukraine the way they are doing, but it may be not like that. Countries like india, china will have their mouth watering as they are going to get resources (like gas/oil for china, minerals/weapons for india) at cheaper prices due to sanctions.

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by trhway »

geoka9 wrote: post #7

There are plenty of Russians on Youtube commenting under pleas posted by Ukrainians asking them to help stop the war. And there are plenty of videos taken by people on the ground in Ukraine that show what's going on. Lots of Russians actually believe that the strikes are precision and only aimed at the military targets. There's a video recorded by a woman in Mykolaiv walking among the rubble and cursing at her Russia…

>Lots of Russians actually believe that the strikes are precision

(Speaking as a Russian who was in similar situation back in 198x in USSR) Russians have lost all mental critical thinking capacity when it comes to government propaganda, and the propaganda makers know and use it. For example about precision strikes - the official Russian TV made a glorifying report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrekdY2FgD0 on such a strike carried out by a plane loaded only with unguided bombs (FAB-250, 500lbs) calling them "missiles of point-precision" and showing a video of supposed launch of a ground attack missile from that plane. That despite majority of the men in Russia being pretty familiar with weaponry/etc. and able to see the lie if they wanted to, yet they don't. Government can tell these days anything and Russian population just goes with it.

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by riku_iki »

adventured wrote: post #53
riku_iki wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only US, EU and allies (partially), there are plenty of countries (China, India, Pakistan, Brazil, etc) who didn't join the sanctions.

US GDP > GDP of China + India + Pakistan + Brazil. Global reserve currency = USD. Pakistan? Ha, comeon. Now let's add in the other US allies (EU GDP is ~$16t-$17t, roughly equal to China; Canada and Australia both have economies larger than Russia). And we're just getting warmed up. Most of the global economic might is with the US and its allies. Russia can be successfully smashed economically, and it'll be far easie…

It doesn't matter. What matters is that they (China + India + Pakistan + Brazil + 100 other countries) will continue buying Putin's oil.

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by nwienert »

edgyquant wrote: post #49
heavyset_go wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Russia needs to protect itself from NATO encroachment" is a common talking point that excuses the attack and implies that Ukraine and/or NATO somehow forced Russia to invade Ukraine.

It also goes off the assumption that the nations bordering Russia aren’t rational actors or independent polities capable of choosing their own path (or, apparently, being allowed to,)

So you’re against the Monroe doctrine? Thoughts on the Cuban Missile crisis?

Did you see the clip of Biden in the 80s saying the only thing that would turn Russia hostile would be the Baltic states joining NATO?

Finally, are you familiar with what happened in 08, 14, and 19, and the clear Russian warnings after each?

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by mcbutterbunz »

starkd wrote: post #13
stavros wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying the invasion is Ukraine's fault for trying to not get invaded. It's the international politics version of "look what you've done, you made me hit you".

No that's not what he's saying. They were led with the promise of NATO/EU membership with no intention to back it up. https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia...

Oh so instead of "look what you've done, you made me hit you", its "look what the US has done, they made me hit you"

Re: Appeal to Ruby Community from Kharkiv Rubyist

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Post by throwaway2037 »

geoka9 wrote: post #7

There are plenty of Russians on Youtube commenting under pleas posted by Ukrainians asking them to help stop the war. And there are plenty of videos taken by people on the ground in Ukraine that show what's going on. Lots of Russians actually believe that the strikes are precision and only aimed at the military targets. There's a video recorded by a woman in Mykolaiv walking among the rubble and cursing at her Russia…

You wrote: >

Thank you for saying it out loud.

To be fair, I think you can safely replace "Russians" with many other people. Certainly, US media loves the term "precision strikes". They are nonsense. I also once believed in them.

As a thought experiment, imagine a bus stop is bombed with precision guided bombs (or a missile if you like). Imagine that bus stop is in the same neighborhood as your office or home. Imagine that you walk or drive past it daily. Imagine that a "precision strike" took out someone very bad. How would you feel, walking past a huge hole in the ground where the bus stop once stood? You would never again feel safe in that place. Everyday that you pass the hole in the ground, you would think to yourself: "What if I was standing at the same bus stop on that day?" This is my point about "precision strikes". The term ignores the impact on real humans who live near those places.

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