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Man given genetically modified pig heart dies

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Re: Man given genetically modified pig heart dies

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That's an LVAD, though -- isn't that an entirely different beast than an artificial heart, with a different use case?

LVAD goes for 5 years

More like 10 and more now, 5 years was the stuff we were making in the 90s and early 2000s.

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I thought that hospitals specifically only put you on the list if you committed to a healthy lifestyle.

It likely varies hospital to hospital and region to region. I would hope it's more often the case than not though. I'm an organ donor and I wouldn't be happy to find out that my liver went to an alcoholic that wasn't making a strong effort at sobriety.

Sorry to imply he is still drinking. See my sibling reply to yours, but it is not sticking to the diet which is causing his issues.

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I have an uncle in his sixties that has drank and smoked his whole life and he has been on heart and liver transplant list for about a year. Because he continued to live unhealthily his heart started failing this week with multiple heart attacks they moved him to level one priority and he will likely get his transplants this week. It feels weird that he is now ahead of others because they tried to be healthy and he d…

I thought that hospitals specifically only put you on the list if you committed to a healthy lifestyle.

Anecdotally, an ex-partner of mine here in Australia was denied a transplant for several years due to her heavy marijuana use, but was eventually allowed a transplant. Unfortunately her body rejected it and it had to be removed, and she passed away a year later.

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“Currently 17 people die every day in the US waiting for a transplant, with more than 100,000 reportedly on the waiting list.” David Bennett was only 57. Heart disease, and related issues are a big problem. While I’m hopeful for this technology, I wish there was a way for people to see heart issues coming much earlier in life so they can attempt to treat, or delay, the problem.

I wish the effect smoking has on the heart was advertised more. People are terrified of cancer and that's all they think about with smoking, but actually far more people die from heart and stroke related illness after smoking than from cancer. I don't know the exact number, but it's a multitude.

Is it an effect if the nicotine?

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Which is probably how they got approval to do a pig heart transplant in the first place since he would never get on the transplant list.

I have an uncle in his sixties that has drank and smoked his whole life and he has been on heart and liver transplant list for about a year. Because he continued to live unhealthily his heart started failing this week with multiple heart attacks they moved him to level one priority and he will likely get his transplants this week. It feels weird that he is now ahead of others because they tried to be healthy and he d…

Sorry, I really don't mean to be a devil's advocate, but how do you know for sure that those others in the transplant line, also lived healthy lives w/ regular doctor visits.

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There are private clinics one can become a member of, but this is extremely uncommon and most people don't know it's an option. Costs upwards of $3,000 annually.

Only 3,000? chuckles in American

You can go to quest diagnostics or labscorb and order yourself a test for under 200$ (no insurance needed) that would do an entire panel on you. I did this and then called a teledoc for like 40$ (copay) and had them go over hte results with me. It's pretty sweet.

Re: Man given genetically modified pig heart dies

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Isn't there catch-it-early type diseases? Like breast cancer, testicular cancer, colon cancer, etc... that prove this wrong? The funny thing is, the older you get, you are likely to have some sort of symptom. Such is life. For blood pressure, I would expand and add general bloodwork for health conscious individuals or people with a family history for certain issues -- diabetes, liver, androgen, heart health markers..…

For ‘catch it early’ you are talking screening. That’s why there’s cervical cancer screening (pap smear/the new cytology test), mammograms, faecal occult blood tests, in australia skin cancer screening, etc. And that’s why people should have a regular doctor and that’s why as you get older you see your doctor more frequently. But for young(ish) otherwise healthy people, the whole concept of something ther occurs annu…

Shouldn't you at least do regular blood panels to check for prediabetes and the like?

Re: Man given genetically modified pig heart dies

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Which is probably how they got approval to do a pig heart transplant in the first place since he would never get on the transplant list.

I have an uncle in his sixties that has drank and smoked his whole life and he has been on heart and liver transplant list for about a year. Because he continued to live unhealthily his heart started failing this week with multiple heart attacks they moved him to level one priority and he will likely get his transplants this week. It feels weird that he is now ahead of others because they tried to be healthy and he d…

Funny how having had COVID opens doors (eg. quarantine not required when traveling to some countries, and your example), but at the same time people are punished for not preventing it (vaccination, PPE). Talk about mixed incentives...

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His assault definitely contributed to Shumaker’s early death but he didn’t “murder” him.

Why, because Bennett couldn't be convicted of it? Bennett took decades off Shumaker's life. AFAICT it's for practical reasons that he got a lesser charge, not for philosophical reasons. https://www.swordandscale.com/murder-charges-under-the-delay...

I think that particular exception to double jeopardy is unique to New York. It’s not my area of expertise so I could be wrong but I think most of the country still uses some version of the “year and a day” rule.

Re: Man given genetically modified pig heart dies

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I thought that hospitals specifically only put you on the list if you committed to a healthy lifestyle.

He says he is committed to and I assume he has good intentions. He isn’t drinking or smoking, but water intake, salt intake, and red meat have been more challenging for his willpower/discipline. Also, I have no idea if matters or not but he is wealthy (low eight digits) as well.

Neither of those is a medical contradiction to receiving a transplant.

Smoking is the big no-no because it is fairly well proven to impair healing and increases chances of failure.

Evidence against red meat is very weak, and contradictory. Some studies show no harmful effects from non-processed red meat at all. In fact, there is just as much evidence against plant-based diets (they just aren't discussed widely due to the prevailing politics around CO2 etc), basically it's all just noise. Light alcohol use is absolutely fine in almost every case, and John Hopkins routinely does liver transplants for dependent alcoholics with an alcohol-related liver disease.

You should look up some centenarians cases, some lived on a diet of nothing but beer, waffles and blood sausages daily for several decades, and then had a nice healthy liver on autopsy at 100+ y.o., could've been from someone in their 20s.

Such is life.

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