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Lootboxes in FIFA now allowed by highest Dutch court

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Re: Lootboxes in FIFA now allowed by highest Dutch court

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Post by BrS96bVxXBLzf5B »

lapetitejort wrote: post #57
BrS96bVxXBLzf5B wrote: post #48

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This definitely isn't a universal experience and there are definitely a lot of trading card horror stories, but for me + friends growing up the purchase of trading cards had a different place in life. They were like one of life's small rewards you had a chance of rolling whenever going into a shop with a parent/guardian. Being at the checkout, putting on the little kid puppy-dog 'pleaseeeeeee' and the adult deciding…

One small caveat: digital collections of lootbox items can be admired, organized, displayed, and in some games traded to other players. Of course, all these actions are dictated by the software for the most part, and can be arbitrarily restricted. I won't be able to seal a fancy digital hat and donate it to a local museum.

It's true, which is why I tried to caveat it with 'even if they aren't worth sharing'. If I got a Tangela and had it in my pocket I'm still going to show the neighbour friend, she might even like Tangela especially well as a preference (tried to get at this with 'subjective value'). But with the number of football players and how it's much more stat/goal-based and the collector aspects are skewed towards the higher level, kids probably aren't making Discord calls to show their friend John Smith from the English division 2 league because he has a cute nose :)

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Post by [deleted] »

akersten wrote: post #18

Thank goodness. I was genuinely worried they'd make Pokemon card booster packs illegal next. Let kids live a little and learn the perils of gambling play money early. They can safely learn the disappointment of throwing 20 bucks into a box with no reward during a time when it's relatively consequence free, instead of throwing 20 grand into stock options and being shocked when it goes to 0. Loot boxes are not really g…

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Post by oneoff786 »

arrosenberg wrote: post #31
oneoff786 wrote: post #11

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I don’t have any interest in fortnite but I don’t follow why this is bad. These are just skins right? Like no differentiation besides personal aesthetic preference? Couldn’t these be sold with no ambiguity, never ever coming back, and have literally no impact on your desire to buy? Have you ever felt a desire to buy a shirt because it won’t be available to purchase again? Is there really a world where they say “this…

Introducing artificial scarcity on digital goods seems incredibly anti-consumer. Consider a different scenario where someone wants the skin both now and later (for whatever reason - value is driven by the desire of the purchaser), but doesn't have the financial wherewithal to purchase frivolous things at a whim. In that scenario the consumer has to make a choice between purchasing an artificially scarce good or makin…

That seems like an unlikely edge case given these are probably pretty cheap?

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Post by cheeseomlit »

mFixman wrote: post #39
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #8

This is so disheartening. I work as an admin in a school that serves all grades, and the impact that this stuff has on kids is very real. I've witnessed first-hand a grown in sort of a "gambling" culture amongst kids, as early as elementary school. While loads of us may have had fun experiences trading cards and whatnot, this all still happens with kids but with a much more overt monetary component. Part of me, thoug…

I'm sure my parents would disagree that Pokémon trading cards weren't a giant money sink designed to take their money. I can see a lot of problems with giving children access to credit cards, but I honestly fail to see how loot boxes are different from trading cards marketed to children. My high school enacted and enforced a ban on all card and board games because some parents were worried about child gambling; I'm s…

True, but those trading cards are worth big bucks nowadays. Lootbox rewards are basically worthless since you don't really "own" them and cant resell them

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Post by oneoff786 »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #54
oneoff786 wrote: post #11

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I don’t have any interest in fortnite but I don’t follow why this is bad. These are just skins right? Like no differentiation besides personal aesthetic preference? Couldn’t these be sold with no ambiguity, never ever coming back, and have literally no impact on your desire to buy? Have you ever felt a desire to buy a shirt because it won’t be available to purchase again? Is there really a world where they say “this…

Well, Fortnite doesn't let you customise your appearance at all without buying skins. If you want your character to match your gender, you have to buy a skin. If you want your character to look even slightly good, you have to buy a skin. And then buy a new one in two weeks because you had no idea that they'd give you a better option later and you didn't know how scarce the current week's was.

Ok but how is this different from buying clothes in irl? You usually can’t find the same clothes n months later in the same store.

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Post by oneoff786 »

alpaca128 wrote: post #22
oneoff786 wrote: post #11

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I don’t have any interest in fortnite but I don’t follow why this is bad. These are just skins right? Like no differentiation besides personal aesthetic preference? Couldn’t these be sold with no ambiguity, never ever coming back, and have literally no impact on your desire to buy? Have you ever felt a desire to buy a shirt because it won’t be available to purchase again? Is there really a world where they say “this…

This is a textbook example of abusing FOMO (fear of missing out). It's real and Epic does it exactly because of this effect on people. If you're not completely convinced by some cosmetic item you might say "I don't know whether I really want this so I'll just wait and maybe buy it later". But if it's time-limited, in this case without indication whether it'll ever be on sale again, you cannot wait and decide later. I…

In what universe would you want an aesthetic item later more than you do now? Fear of missing out seems to be more experiential or with regards to items that may turn out to be have more utility in the future in my opinion.

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Post by oneoff786 »

speeder wrote: post #27
oneoff786 wrote: post #11

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I don’t have any interest in fortnite but I don’t follow why this is bad. These are just skins right? Like no differentiation besides personal aesthetic preference? Couldn’t these be sold with no ambiguity, never ever coming back, and have literally no impact on your desire to buy? Have you ever felt a desire to buy a shirt because it won’t be available to purchase again? Is there really a world where they say “this…

Selling cosmetic things is literally the best way of extracting money from this. Humans are social creatures, and clothes, real or virtual, are part of social display, some people (me for example) don't care about it, but they are exceptions, most people care deeply about using clothes for social display, and "threatening" them with not having a potentially high social status piece is a good way to make these people…

Why would a fortnite skin become high status? Aren’t they all available in unlimited quantity for a fairly standard price? That sounds like the opposite of scarcity. If something is popular then it will be the most common and thus the least interesting.

Surely you’re not saying people buy skins because they might turn out to be unpopular and thus cool to wear…

I’m sure there’s a niche culture around always buying the absolute latest piece, but that’s not the fear of missing out and would exist even if everything was always available?

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Post by Nowado »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #65
mFixman wrote: post #39

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I'm sure my parents would disagree that Pokémon trading cards weren't a giant money sink designed to take their money. I can see a lot of problems with giving children access to credit cards, but I honestly fail to see how loot boxes are different from trading cards marketed to children. My high school enacted and enforced a ban on all card and board games because some parents were worried about child gambling; I'm s…

True, but those trading cards are worth big bucks nowadays. Lootbox rewards are basically worthless since you don't really "own" them and cant resell them

You mean, the issue with child gambling these days is that there's no promise of a big pay out?
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