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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by actuator »

retrac wrote: post #270
throwawaycities wrote: post #255

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> And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Graham ) I was actually surprised China didn’t vote against the UN Resolution by the Generally Assembly condemning Russia’s violation of the UN Charter by the use of force and violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact th…

> the fact that they didn’t vote against the UN Resolution with Russia China has, very consistently for decades now, maintained that every nation's borders are Super Duper Sacred and Never Ever to be challenged. That every sovereign nation can do whatever it wants within its UN-recognized borders. This is for obvious reasons over Xinjiang and Taiwan and Tibet and etc. Abstention was their only realistic option. And q…

> China has, very consistently for decades now, maintained that every nation's borders are Super Duper Sacred and Never Ever to be challenged. That every sovereign nation can do whatever it wants within its UN-recognized borders

Well, Ukraine's borders are recognised by UN and CCP respecting others borders is simply not true. Just ask their neighbours.

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Post by boomskats »

itsoktocry wrote: post #164
hkmaxpro wrote: post #42

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

> And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and official There are biolabs in the Ukraine, as confirmed by Nuland in the Senate hearings. Whether they have bio-weapons or medical research, who knows, but you can perhaps understand that the Russians might be concerned? What's really amazing about this story that only days ago it was painted as a Q-anon theory. Turns out it was real…

Yes, but during that same hearing when Victoria Nuland was asked about biological weapons facilities, she explicitly confirmed to Sen. Rubio that she is 100% confident that _if there is to be a biological weapon or incident inside the Ukraine, it will definitely be the Russians who are behind it_.

[0] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1501313109520175104

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Post by hbarka »

ashwagary wrote: post #278
hbarka wrote: post #243

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Military veterans here would know that NBC (the DoD’s umbrella acronym for Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) threats and defensive postures against them are constantly ingrained into the individual soldier’s training regimen. It starts from boot camp. Every recruit becomes familiar with the lovely pepper spray gas chamber encounter. NBC is taken very seriously in the training doctrine. It probably stems from the horribl…

>Nuclear, Biological, Chemical threats and defensive postures The Department of Defense is a misleading name since it spent a large % of its historical budget on offense and invasion. The use of the words 'defensive and defense' are always misleading in the US context and should not be taken literally in my opinion. US history makes this clear.

They tried Department of Offense but the acronym didn’t go over well

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Post by _ph_ »

thereddaikon wrote: post #86
pavlov wrote: post #49

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It's actually the opposite: supporting Russia's invasion is in direct conflict with China's long-standing official line that sovereignty must be the primary principle in international relations. From China's point of view, Taiwan is purely a question of Chinese sovereignty. They've never recognized the Taipei government and they try to sanction countries that do recognize Taiwan. The idea is that this "recognition li…

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In one of his recent speeches, Putin made very clear that he doesn't recognize Ukraine as a nation.

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Post by ashwagary »

kstenerud wrote: post #59
DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

Anti-NATO sentiment has become pivotal to China's future and the new world order since recent events have pushed most of the world into America's corner (which hurts China). Now they're basically compensating for Russia's mess (and won't ever let them forget that).

Anti-NATO (countries) sentiment has existed since those countries invaded and looted China (and many other countries) 200 years ago. This sentiment exists in much of the world but has economic consequences that most countries cannot bare.

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Post by cityzen »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #96

I see these conspiracies starting to enter my social media: apparently they are saying the us is running dozens of biowarfare labs. The only evidence is photoshopped maps. No one ever has a list of addresses to verify, ha.

Sounds kind of like the US government gaslighting americans to believe Iraq had WMDs...

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Post by plussed_reader »

frankharv wrote: post #68
birdyrooster wrote: post #50

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We stopped letting them manufacture anything of strategic military or government significance. We are mostly dependent on them for basic household goods and consumer electronics. Those things could be cut back significantly without destroying our own economy. Keep in mind that China can't feed itself without the world. That is a much more dangerous dependence.

You are correct. The "Buy American Act" has some good features. We recently had to buy Anchor Chain for a gov vessel refirb and it literally took an act of congress to override and buy Chinese anchor chain. There is no one in USA who could provide it in a timely fashion. 52 week lead time is unsat. China will trade Russia for wheat due to bad harvests. We are driving Russia into Chinese hands with currency and transa…

Russia effectively becomes a vassal state of the Chinese economy; wonder how they will re-tool the Xinjiang re-education for the Tibetski 2.0?

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Post by ashwagary »

hbarka wrote: post #303
ashwagary wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nuclear, Biological, Chemical threats and defensive postures The Department of Defense is a misleading name since it spent a large % of its historical budget on offense and invasion. The use of the words 'defensive and defense' are always misleading in the US context and should not be taken literally in my opinion. US history makes this clear.

They tried Department of Offense but the acronym didn’t go over well

I expect it was also too on the nose because it telegraphed future potential punches to the less observant % of the world population.

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Post by tomohawk »

throwawaycities wrote: post #255
ksec wrote: post #161

>Good WSJ article on Russia vs. China. In a nutshell, China miscalculated the situation. They will likely look to limit their bet (on Russia) for fear of becoming Russia 2.0 to the West. [1] The tweet is from Neil Cybart and WSJ. You may know him as one of the more accurate Apple analysts. And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Gra…

> And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Graham ) I was actually surprised China didn’t vote against the UN Resolution by the Generally Assembly condemning Russia’s violation of the UN Charter by the use of force and violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact th…

China may be angling to use the situation to enhance their diplomatic status.

They have pretty good relations with both Russia and Ukraine, and are not involved in NATO, so they could position themselves as a deal broker.

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Post by waffleiron »

lottin wrote: post #260
waffleiron wrote: post #196

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The CGTN article doesn't claim bioweapons. It's Newsweek who said they did and build that strawman. edit: removed snark

So why would they mention a "biolab" in Ukraine unless to imply that it somehow poses a threat to Russia? Or did they also mention that there are post offices in Ukraine?

This exact same website that is posted by OP (Axios) reported:

Ukraine warns Chernobyl nuclear plant is without power [1]

Now, most experts say there is nothing to worry about. Why did they report this unless to imply that it somehow poses a threat to the world? Or did they also mention that there are post offices in Ukraine without power?

Very similar, ain't it?

[1] https://www.axios.com/ukraine-chernobyl-nuclear-plant-power-...

HN discussion on that specific article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30614163

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