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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

I think both are possible - but if they continue destabilizing the West, who’s gonna be buying their shoddily made consumer crap?

In that case, I'm sure China would support the West, with loans. With generous interest rate for China.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

The answer is simply the first paragraph of [1]: > The U.S. Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program collaborates with partner countries to counter the threat of outbreaks (deliberate, accidental, or natural) of the world’s most dangerous infectious diseases. The program accomplishes its bio-threat reduction mission through development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partne…

Threat Reduction Program? Wow, that sounds familiar.

"Of the $41.91 million, $37.61 million was awarded to EcoHealth Alliance by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), which describes its mission as “to protect the United States and its allies by enabling the DoD and international partners to detect, deter, and defeat WMD and threat networks.”"

https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/pentagon-gave-millions-to-ecoh...

I wonder why when the pandemic hit, there was literally zero useful info coming out of all these threat reduction programs?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. They are ancient neighbors and have a vested interest in helping maintain global geopolitical harmony, just like all other globalized nations.

How are they helping maintain global geopolitical harmony? Their actions seem to be doing the opposite

>How are they helping maintain global geopolitical harmony? Their actions seem to be doing the opposite

That depends on where you sit, doesn't it? Balance of power. The West constantly talking about spreading democracy around the globe isn't appealing to non-democratic governments.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

From the Hacker News guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Actually, that whole page is worth reading, given that your comment violates a lot of it. Another sample:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

You're probably being downvoted because your post (a) is whataboutism (b) is emotionally-heavy while content-light (c) seems to make the assumption that Russian/Chinese propaganda is somehow equivalent to US propaganda and (d) violates several of the HN guidelines.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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From [1]: Other scientists contacted by The Intercept noted that there is published evidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was already engaged in some of the genetic engineering work described in the proposal and that viruses designed in North Carolina could easily be used in China. “The mail is filled with little envelopes with plasmid dried on to filter paper that scientists routinely send each other,” said…

> the Wuhan Institute of Virology was already engaged in some of the genetic engineering work described in the proposal Sure, but that doesn't point to America it points to China. > “The mail is filled with little envelopes with plasmid dried on to filter paper that scientists routinely send each other,” It seems unlikely the leak happened at the Wuhan post office, but even if it did, how does imply American incompet…

> how does imply American incompetence?

1 million dead people kind of makes it seem an “a priori”

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I'm pretty sure China recognized Ukraine as an independent country until very recently.

No foreign policy expert but it seems more complicated than that. China still does recognise Ukraine as independent in the sense it continues to push for respect of "territorial integrity". It's a key part of Chinese foreign policy, and is what China uses to maintain its false claim over Taiwan (which it sees as Beijing territory, notwithstanding that Taiwanese people see themselves as independent). Yet it still refu…

> notwithstanding that Taiwanese people see themselves as independent.

It isn’t that cut and dry. Most Taiwanese people prefer the status quo, surely by no small measure due to the fact that an outright declaration of independence would provoke China, but still, people who paint the picture as black and white like you have are either advancing an agenda or simply ignorant of the facts on the ground in Taiwan.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Criticizing the CCP has nothing to do with the Chinese people. You are not a racist against Americans when you criticize Biden or Trump.

I, personally, agree with your assessment of the post being a wumaodang, but I've been incorrect on that front before (and corrected by dang himself, who had done previous investigation into the account I was concerned about), and so in the spirit of the HN guidelines "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like." I think it might be best to elide that particular statement...

...which doesn't invalidate the rest of your comment, at all.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Not as a whatabout but a question: Has Taiwan recognized China as a sovereign nation? Or is do they consider it Occupied Western Republic of China?

Taiwan is complicated. Taiwan, the island, was once a part of territory claimed by Imperial China. Eventually, Taiwan was given to Japan in some war back in the day. Right before WWII, civil war broke out. The Chinese Communist party wanted to overthrow the ROC and reform the government in their image. Then WWII happened and they agreed to pause the civil war to deal with the Japanese coming in from East. WWII ended…

Thank you for writing such a thorough comment. So often people comment on HN without a basis in any of these facts.

I think it’s important to add that Taiwan, like China, was an authoritarian state up until the 90s. The shift to democracy since then has given room for a lot of these different factions to take hold and develop on the island.

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