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China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I'm uncomfortable with how this article talks about how evil the ads are without actually showing them. It's not clear to me who is doing the propaganda here (the ads vs the article about the ads).

It's not clear to me who is doing the propaganda here (the ads vs the article about the ads

Just, Devil's Advocate, but why can't it be both?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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China has never recognized Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Russia and China are among the parties to the Budapest Memorandum, a 1994 treaty recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

Not as a whatabout but a question: Has Taiwan recognized China as a sovereign nation? Or is do they consider it Occupied Western Republic of China?

Taiwan is complicated.

Taiwan, the island, was once a part of territory claimed by Imperial China. Eventually, Taiwan was given to Japan in some war back in the day.

Right before WWII, civil war broke out. The Chinese Communist party wanted to overthrow the ROC and reform the government in their image. Then WWII happened and they agreed to pause the civil war to deal with the Japanese coming in from East.

WWII ended with the defeat of Japan and as part of the terms of surrender, Taiwan was given back to the ROC.

After WWII, the civil war was back on, but with the ROC having been significantly weakened by WWII. Eventually, the CCP overthrew the ROC on the mainland and formed the People's Republic of China (PRC), while the ROC fled to the island of Taiwan.

The PRC sees Taiwan as part of China thanks to the Japanese terms of surrender. Taiwan was ceded to the government of China, they are the government of China. QED, Taiwan is theirs.

The ROC sees themselves as the rightful government of China in exile. Yes, Taiwan belongs to China, but they are China. The PRC needs to give the mainland back to them.

Things have progressed since then. There are some on the island with different opinions these days.

The policy of the PRC and some factions in the ROC is the One-China policy. There is only one China, it includes the mainland and Taiwan. The only disagreement is about which government is legitimate.

Some in the ROC advocate a two-state solution, in which you'd have the PRC and ROC, each with their territories and that's that.

Then there are people in Taiwan who feel that they should be their own independent nation and not "Chinese" at all.

So basically, with regards to your question, the answer is every answer possible. I think the official position is One-China though. I think there's enough of that faction to make winning elections impossible if you explicitly reject it.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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They are probably building up a strategy of blaming COVID-19 on fabricated US/Ukraine bioweapons research (accidental release).

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence circumstantially suggesting that COVID-19 is due to American incompetence and gross negligence.

No, there is not.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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We can close the door on free speech now that we have the numbers.

Free speech does not mean anyone should offer a megaphone to some private entity (especially non-individual ones). It's up to Twitter and Facebook to decide if they want such messages amplified on their platform and to earn money for that. Or we can make these platform utilities but then, we could also make ads illegal in public spaces (I can speak freely when I take the subway, but I'm not allowed to yell advertisem…

> I'm not allowed to yell advertisements

Yes you are...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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How do your links [1][2] support the claim that Ukraine is developing “biomilitary activities” (as claimed in the title of the Global Times article)? They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”.

Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

The US DoD funds a lot of peaceful science at labs around the world. This is often misinterpreted by laymen as "weapons labs" when they are just normal civilian labs. Not all research funded by the military is directly applicable to weapons. A lot of times its applicable to defense against said weapons. Which also has application in the civilian medical field.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

They're part of the same anti-Western axis with the same enemies and similar enough goals.

The Cold War has returned. Western politicians may refuse to see it, but reality has a way of making itself felt.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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It's win-win for them, no? A weak Russia isolated from the west means cheap resources for China. And the West focusing on the conflict and spending resources in Europe draws attention away from China in Asia. Seems like it's their interest to keep both parties in a drawn out conflict. Though perhaps they have to balance it with how it affects the world economy.

> win-win for them, no? No. Taiwan is seeing a massive increase in morale and defense interest [1]. The West has unified in a way not seen since World War II. If Xi sides with the baddies, he risks the stink rubbing off on him. [1] https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in-taiwan-putins-war-in-ukr...

Western feelings of unity are of no importance on this topic. Large majorities in both mainland China and Taiwan are happy with Taiwan's current status. Nothing that happens in Ukraine will convince significant numbers of Taiwanese to sign up for a proxy war.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The document linked above is from 2017. Was there a COVID-17 I never heard of?

That was for animal diseases and yes, DoD has a department for that as well: https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Combat-Support... . There is no conspiracy here unless you just want to see it.

I don't suggest any conspiracy; I am just debating your claim on "reducing threat of COVID in UA Armed Forces" in 2017.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are probably building up a strategy of blaming COVID-19 on fabricated US/Ukraine bioweapons research (accidental release).

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence circumstantially suggesting that COVID-19 is due to American incompetence and gross negligence.

How so? If it leaked from a lab, it is almost certainly from the Wuhan lab. The Wuhan lab was a joint French-Chinese operation. Before COVID-19, EcoHealth (an organization with ties to the Wuhan lab) applied for a grant from DARPA to perform gain-of-function-esque research on COVID[1]. DARPA denied the application.

[1] https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence circumstantially suggesting that COVID-19 is due to American incompetence and gross negligence.

No, there is not.

Unfortunately, there is.

Following Go rules, since I no longer have the energy to dig up references for you, let’s just call ko.

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