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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by bananabiscuit »

yks wrote: post #87
thepasswordis wrote: post #61

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https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation. Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "US does have biolabs in Ukraine" to "US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine"

Nothing in the video, but see somebameforme’s post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313). No need for hasty accusations of spreading misinformation.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by [deleted] »

yks wrote: post #87
thepasswordis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation. Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "US does have biolabs in Ukraine" to "US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine"

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by [deleted] »

sebow wrote: post #66

Always chuckle when we talk corporate or western state-sponsored propaganda yet "we" still have shit like this. Collusion between the private companies and governments is fascism, by definition. Which is what China does in their country, and which is what we sometimes allow, willingly or not, in our countries through the internet. I personally am against censorship of any kind. And while that in principle means allow…

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by waffleiron »

thereddaikon wrote: post #86
pavlov wrote: post #49

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It's actually the opposite: supporting Russia's invasion is in direct conflict with China's long-standing official line that sovereignty must be the primary principle in international relations. From China's point of view, Taiwan is purely a question of Chinese sovereignty. They've never recognized the Taipei government and they try to sanction countries that do recognize Taiwan. The idea is that this "recognition li…

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>If they invade it will be seen as an act of aggression and one nation invading another.

Sure but that doesn't mean they are the same. Ukraine is a country that is recognised by both Russia and a UN member state recognised by most of the world. Taiwan is not recognised by China and only 13 UN member states.

It might be bullshit, but it's not the same.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

dekhn wrote: post #100
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #94

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> Since it seems you have an anti-Biden agenda >> It was a serious question in good faith These two statements appear to be in contradiction. I have an anti-misinformation agenda. Nothing more, nothing less, at this time, thank you very much.

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> You see how that makes it looks like you have animus

No, not really.

Do you see how your not answering my question, but rather attacking it, shows that you have animus towards me?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by mensetmanusman »

DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

If Russia falls, there is no large country to back up their shenanigans.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by maratc »

thereddaikon wrote: post #86
pavlov wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually the opposite: supporting Russia's invasion is in direct conflict with China's long-standing official line that sovereignty must be the primary principle in international relations. From China's point of view, Taiwan is purely a question of Chinese sovereignty. They've never recognized the Taipei government and they try to sanction countries that do recognize Taiwan. The idea is that this "recognition li…

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> Nobody except deluded tankies

About a billion of these "deluded tankies" live in China.

> Russia does formally recognize them as a nation

Formal recognitions aside, but if you go anywhere from the Russian extreme left (e.g. Gorbachev) to the Russian extreme right (e.g. Solzhenitsyn), there's one thing they agree upon: they all think Ukraine is historically tied to Russia. Like it or not, there is a wide consensus in Russia with regards to that.

It has served Russian policy since the 90's to have Ukraine and Belarus as independent states, since 3 votes in the UN are better than one.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

LanceH wrote: post #76
dymk wrote: post #67

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We can close the door on free speech now that we have the numbers.

Free speech does not mean anyone should offer a megaphone to some private entity (especially non-individual ones).

It's up to Twitter and Facebook to decide if they want such messages amplified on their platform and to earn money for that.

Or we can make these platform utilities but then, we could also make ads illegal in public spaces (I can speak freely when I take the subway, but I'm not allowed to yell advertisements, and it's fine!).

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by dekhn »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #105
dekhn wrote: post #100

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> You see how that makes it looks like you have animus No, not really. Do you see how your not answering my question, but rather attacking it, shows that you have animus towards me?

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

thepasswordis wrote: post #85
whimsicalism wrote: post #77

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biolabs != bioweapons and that source does not say they are US owned or operated.

She says that she's concerned that Russia soldiers will take control of the materials in these labs and release it into Ukraine as a false flag, and that the US is working with them to secure these places. It seems like we're getting into some really weird definitions of weapons if that doesn't count as a "weapon".

Biological material, especially if it is disease related, can be easily misused. This sounds like the effort the USA had 20+ years ago in helping Ukraine in securing and eliminating their nuclear arsenal. Not because the USA was interested in more nuclear weapons, but because they didn’t want terrorist getting ahold of them.
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