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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Should Mr Biden also be fact checking all of his propaganda ads, too?

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Because of the bias of the “fact” checkers, I guess?

But seriously, the term “fact checking” is just a modern euphemism for propaganda.

The other day Facebook “fact checked” a peer reviewed paper in the British Medical Journal. There are so many ridiculous examples. This blind trust people have is worrying.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

They want to turn Russia into their client state.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan. China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten. Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include…

My understanding is some manufacturing is already moving away from China. If China invades Taiwan, the West won't be able to sanction them as quickly and as intensely, but it can accelerate the move to take its business elsewhere... Which it will have to do, because most of the world's most advanced chips come from TSMC, and if that's controlled by China, it's just dangerous.

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan. China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten. Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include…

It’s infuriating that the west allows itself to remain dependent on a dictatorship.

In the bigger context, we always did and still do. Even going so far to actively support some of them and not just tolerate. Especially when they were supposed to keep "communists" in check.

Just some examples. Those lists are for the US but of course by no means is it exclusive to the US.

- https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/americas-mos... (linked for the list, not for "Obama" - obviously it is independent of who is president)

- https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_s...

- https://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_ba...

And not to forget

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

It's not exclusive to the US of course, it was just easier to find links quickly. Here's an example with France:

- https://www.dw.com/en/french-support-for-chad-dictator-makes...

- https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-14/france...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

I think the answers to your question revolve around Russia ending up being an economically linked vassal state of China, China/India/Russia becoming an economic block, and a desire to not use the US dollar as a reserve currency.

Personally, I think Putin is screwing over his own people almost as badly as people in Ukraine - in the long run. Ukraine will get a lot of love from the west, when the fighting is over.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan.

> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan. China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten. Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include…

> The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten.

This assumes that we won't make moves to mitigate this dependence in response to Russia's invasion. The US Innovation and Competition Act [1] likely has a much higher chance of passing today than it did prior to Russia's invasion. It calls for $250 billion investment in high tech manufacturing [2]. It has passed the Senate and is currently waiting in the House. I wouldn't be surprised to see the bill grow in scope.

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/126...

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-passes-bipa...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Political propaganda has no place on these advertising platforms. Deeper pockets shouldn't mean a louder voice on these matters.

Right. Ads should be limited to selling actual products or services.

Is selling products or services not political propaganda in its own way?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

Anti-NATO sentiment has become pivotal to China's future and the new world order since recent events have pushed most of the world into America's corner (which hurts China).

Now they're basically compensating for Russia's mess (and won't ever let them forget that).

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

The Trade war that Trump started is still ongoing if you haven’t noticed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93United_States_....
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