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The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Same author, further down in the thread: > All these twitter/facebook/youtube bans are trying to put a genie back in a bottle, Parler is gaining steam Did not age nearly as well.

Why? Parler was gaining steam until a consortium of megacorporations aligned to erase it from the internet.

That's a pretty generous interpretation of what happened.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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If you’ve read the book, thoughts on this criticism of the book listed in the Wikipedia article? > Stanford University political scientist David D. Laitin described it as "a magisterial book." But he said there were flaws in the methodology of the book, saying the book "is a product of undisciplined history. For one, Scott’s evidence is selective and eclectic, with only minimal attempts to weigh disconfirming evidenc…

Any synoptic work can be criticised on the basis that its author strays from areas of specific expertise and selects from available evidence or narratives. That criticism is akin to critiquing water for being wet. The question is whether or not the book provides useful insights. And to that extent, I believe James C. Scott accomplishes his task. He needn't be correct in all his diagnoses or prescriptions for this to…

> What's all the more amusing is that the criticism is fundamentally grounded in the same fundamental paradox that states face, per Scott: that a complex domain cannot be accurately modeled or understood, that all attempts to do so are at best compromises and in error, and that any model will prove insufficient and unequal to the task.

I now understand why you consider it amusing; thanks for your insights on this topic.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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> For example, you can't "agree to disagree" on LGBTQ rights if you belong to one of those categories. See also pregnant people and abortion rights. Why can’t you? Is it impossible to imagine civil friendly people who simply do not share one’s views on these issues?

Texas just unveiled a law that proposes putting parents who support their children's gender transition in jail for child abuse. That means one side thinks the other side is a child abuser, and the other side thinks that bigots are going to throw them in prison for being a supportive parent. This is not something you can be "polite" about.

I don't think gender transition for kids is compatible with child sex laws. If a kid can't consent to sex, even if they're verbally willing and consenting, how on earth can they consent to cutting off their penis? Seems a bit absurd to me

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I don't argue for political view points because I'm fairly certain I have no power and my opinions and beliefs don't matter. You know, like 99% of us. Maybe yours do matter. Maybe you're a player with NGOs, elected government, media, academia, big business, or civil service. Mine don't though, I'm just another peasant who wants to keep his family safe and healthy. I wish things could be better but I see no viable pat…

You are arguing your political viewpoint here. Because you disagree with mine, and because you want yours to be more common. The power you are exercising is one of influence. If you didn't believe your views mattered, you wouldn't bother to post here.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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It isn't what he said, but it's apparently what he meant. Again with the mind-reading. Maybe people don't want to talk politics because so many people debate in bad faith and not only put words in peoples mouths, but thoughts into their heads.

There's a reason they call Twitter the hell-site. Arguments like this run the place. Like covering all your food in a bottle of Sriracha, political Twitter can be fun at first, but eventually you're going to get sick with diarrhea and need a break. In my case, a permanent one. I am happy to do real things for marginalized people, like vote, hire fairly, support progressive policies, etc. but exposing myself to that p…

Ok? Then you don't have to expose yourself to it. I'm not arguing otherwise. There are many good ways to step outside one's filter bubble.

For what it's worth, though, my Twitter experience is pretty different. I follow a wide variety of people. Some of my feed is politics. A lot isn't. If you just have it show you a strict time-ranked feed and discourage it from suggesting stuff to you, you can tailor the experience quite a bit.

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I don't argue for political view points because I'm fairly certain I have no power and my opinions and beliefs don't matter. You know, like 99% of us. Maybe yours do matter. Maybe you're a player with NGOs, elected government, media, academia, big business, or civil service. Mine don't though, I'm just another peasant who wants to keep his family safe and healthy. I wish things could be better but I see no viable pat…

You are arguing your political viewpoint here. Because you disagree with mine, and because you want yours to be more common. The power you are exercising is one of influence. If you didn't believe your views mattered, you wouldn't bother to post here.

>If you didn't believe your views mattered, you wouldn't bother to post here.

lol wut? Not parent poster, but I post here precisely because I know my views don't matter. This is idle chitchat with people in a similar line of work. There were a few times I've actually had something to say, and you can bet your ass I didn't post it on Hacker News.

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There is a huge difference of who asks. The answer to if I support BLM is different and can even contradict itself if the family of George Floyd asks or some corporate media that runs a populist ad campaign. I still believe people were scammed out of their money, that their good nature was taken advantage of. Black girl programmers should not be black girl programmers, they should be programmers. And they most certai…

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the BLM stuff. You would support them privately but not publicly? > Black girl programmers should not be black girl programmers, they should be programmers. And they most certainly won't face discrimination because of that. This is a perfect demonstration of the "head in the sand" position that leads to conservatism that I was talking about. The whole point of "black girls…

I doesn't have to do with public or private support. I think people were scammed to a significant degree. To offer solidarity means to let yourself be exploited too.

I don't see how my position leads to conservatism. If I prefer not making race a relevant attribute in an outreach program, I guess I am. But the label doesn't mean much to me.

There perhaps aren't many black women in programming yet, but opposing a new racialized world is not sticking my head in the sand. I am pretty actively opposed to it.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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> Some people get to ignore "politics"... No, they don't, because they invite this exact reply whenever they try to do so.

Bazinga. Seriously though. When he says "ignore politics" it doesn't mean you get to live without them happening. It means you get to decide not to care. Getting the reply doesn't mean you don't get to ignore it.

>It means you get to decide not to care.

Everyone gets to decide not to care. I'm in a marginalized group and temporarily suspending caring is the primary coping mechanism for the stress political fights in, around, and about the group can cause.

It's not like I'm in a warzone where every moment is a struggle at the precipice of failure. While our progress will take continued dedication that I do feel obligated to lend my time to, I can let my guard down the vast majority of the time.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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> I really wonder whether any of the political establishment even has a clue as to the political makeup of the Independents. The do. The article is incredibly misleading. The drop in party affiliation does not mean that people are not partisan, are less partisan, or that someone who is not affiliated with party is open to voting for a candidate from either party. One of the major strategic breakthroughs of the Bush c…

> The do. The article is incredibly misleading. I’m reading a lot of talk from you about the Democrats and Republicans, but what are the Independents thinking?

What I'm saying is that the parties understand the makeup of independents insofar as they know there are so few true independents, that it doesn't really matter what they think. In today's era, you get much more bang for your buck by convincing your own partisans to make it to the polls.

My broader point is that contrary to what the article implies, "Unaffiliated Voter != A voter who is open to voting for either party"

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