"We always convert your money at the live rate: the rate on Google." But this is a lie - I checked. At time of writing, you claim 100k GBP is equal to 131390 USD, while Google claims it's 131620 USD, a difference of nearly $300! Even saying "the live rate" is a lie. There is no one "live rate" (and therefore no "the" live rate). The price depends on your liquidity providers. IBKR shows "the live rate". Revolut shows…
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#132> We were stunned at the fees it was costing us to move money across borders with existing fintech solutions Isn’t TransferWise already pretty cheap?
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#133Would be nice to see currency pairs not currently supported by other services (like wise, etc.)
If I was going to transfer 4 or 5 digits of $$, even if I save a couple bucks of fees, I would choose the more trustworthy option (e.g. Wise has thousands of reviews across websites, social media, etc.), even if it means an extra bit in fees. But if you can support currency pairs that aren't supported by the existing players in the space, would give potential customers a very good reason to try out a new app like this.
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#134Not sure who told you that you could get away without having a cookie opt-out option, but even in post-Brexit UK you still need this. Having the alternative to 'accept all our tracking' be a 'learn more' that just goes to a document is bullshit.
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#135Not sure who told you that you could get away without having a cookie opt-out option, but even in post-Brexit UK you still need this. Having the alternative to 'accept all our tracking' be a 'learn more' that just goes to a document is bullshit.
Thanks for flagging, have shared the feedback with the team.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right this second it reports that transferring 10,000 GBP would give you 12,000.71 EUR vs the 11,949.73 EUR you would get by using Wise, which is probably the best known competitor. Seems pretty good to me!
Hi - other founder Patrick here, thank you for your interest and analysis. It's worth noting that the rates you see on the pages often have a bit of delay - I believe both Wise and Atlantic would end up having very similar underlying FX rates, since there's no markup on either. However, with Wise, the more you send, the more you pay in fees - so there's a break-even where it starts to become more economical to use At…
Seems to me that the biggest risk to Wise and Atlantic is growing so large that the incumbents will change their pricing.
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#137Since, Wise & Revolut have been mentioned quite a bit and I'm an ex-Revolut & ex-Wise engineer where I built a lot of the FX infrastructure so I'll throw in my 2c. My assumption of what you & Neeraj are doing based on your backgrounds: You've decided to build a smart order router for retail FX hence the slow transfers because you need to wait for the spot order to settle T+2. Story at Wise Funnily enough Wise started…
That being said, we have made two observations that we are looking to explore by launching Atlantic Money:
1. By deliberately going the super-app route, and trying to be something for everyone, super apps are crappy user experiences, and they aren't a very strong business (outside of south-east Asia).
We are looking to be a focused product, and are committing to not building a bunch of additional features into our app over time that customers probably don't want and are likely going to make the experience adversarial.
2. Super apps are not targeted.
We believe that costs can pile up if you don't have a target customer. Our thesis is that we want to be a very good option for customers moving larger sums of money, and we've explicitly focused on that segment in terms of corridors, and our fixed pricing.
We'll see how it goes with the launch, but would welcome any feedback - either here, or feel free to reach out directly.
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#139"We always convert your money at the live rate: the rate on Google." But this is a lie - I checked. At time of writing, you claim 100k GBP is equal to 131390 USD, while Google claims it's 131620 USD, a difference of nearly $300! Even saying "the live rate" is a lie. There is no one "live rate" (and therefore no "the" live rate). The price depends on your liquidity providers. IBKR shows "the live rate". Revolut shows…
Hi and thanks for your interest! We use the interbank rate from global exchanges. Both being from fintech, we are aware that it is easy to mislead (and to be misled) in money transfer and its a reason why we built this product in the first place. We have worked hard not to have any middle-men that mark up rates in our liquidity provision, and are quite certain that our rates are fair and extremely competitive. I do t…
Or you could remove or change this statement, if it is indeed misleading. (But I have not checked this personally).
"We always convert your money at the live rate: the rate on Google."
Trust is important and the right wording does matter a lot.
So if people read this on your website and then check for themself on google and see it is wrong - well sure, expect people to not trust your service.
My first question (with only reading your text here) would be: why and how are you cheaper than the competition?
Right now my takeaway would be: because there are possible dark patterns and hidden fees like suboptimal conversion rates included.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
The important thing here is: the live rate is not the live rate It is the avg. of the "live rate for buy" and the "live rate for sell" This is what google shows But every provider has a spread. As tiny as it might be (Not to mention volatility, difference between exchanges, etc)
Google shows the last price which an asset was traded for.
And if an average of prices on different exchanges, which exchanges are included in the average?
How do you know how Google is doing it?