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Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by newaccount74 »

r00fus wrote: post #611
newaccount74 wrote: post #398

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That's a somewhat recent addition, and it does help somewhat with the Photo library problem. It sucks if you don't have a fast internet connection, though. It also sucks if there's ever a problem with the photo library, because then you don't have a backup anymore. Maybe 240GB are enough for light usage if you store photos in the cloud. I can only say that in my experience 1TB is the bare minimum if I don't want to s…

Optimize Storage has been there since like macOS 10.13 (2017). You're commenting about M1 machines released 2020.

Yeah, as I said, a somewhat recent addition. The problem with skimpy storage on base model Macs has been an issue for decades, and it has gotten worse since you can no longer upgrade with aftermarket parts.

"Optimize Storage" is a bandaid that helps make your Mac with too little storage usable. But it's not a great solution. You'll be looking at spinners a lot. It's just not a nice experience when every video you want to look at takes a few minutes to load.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by ecmascript »

Shadonototra wrote: post #577
georgeburdell wrote: post #221

I don’t buy Apple products for philosophical reasons, but the Mac Mini, and now Mac Studio, are everything I wish Intel NUCs were. I have an Intel Skull Canyon system from 2016 as my gaming PC and it fits in my wife’s purse. Since then, the gaming NUC variants have gotten larger and larger so that they’re nearly mini-ATX form factor again.

> I don’t buy Apple products for philosophical reasons philosophical? they are the most responsible company ever https://www.apple.com/environment/ they push performance limit while maintaining very low power consumption What's philosophical into buying Intel or Microsoft Windows that constantly spy on you and forces bloat on your face year after year? Apple reinvest into its OS and HW, i don't understand your logic

> philosophical? they are the most responsible company ever https://www.apple.com/environment/

LOL. If Apple actually cared about the environment they would make their products repairable and not fight people who repairs them.

It doesn't matter what you say if people are force to trash the entire computer because of one part failure. Most computers will not be recycled and a lot of them end up in toxic fires and stripped for metals.

Linking to a marketing page of one of the absolute worst offenders and claiming that they are the most responsible company ever is delusional.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by eertami »

TameAntelope wrote: post #508
eertami wrote: post #483

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I don't think any M1 chip makes sense at all if you need to work with a lot of docker containers. Orders of magnitude faster to do that on a Linux machine.

Not my experience at all, docker works just fine on this M1 Mac Mini, and I use docker heavily.

A test suite that takes under 2m to run under Linux docker takes over 4m when I run it on the M1. Yet the M1 is marginally faster than this i7-1185g7. For regular development reloading apps etc it's similarly sluggish. "Just fine" sure, but that time adds up.

The M1 is an interesting CPU, but OSX is less popular than Linux for software development. Apple working to support Linux on the M1 would increase sales, though realistically with the other high margin product sales they do not really _need_ extra sales.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

areoform wrote: post #22

I would like to highlight just how much Apple is focusing on their customers and use cases right now. It seems that they're targeting products to what their professional customers actually want. And in this case, it's a 3.7" little thing that can process 18 streams of 8k video (fully specced out). That's kinda crazy, and they're doing it at a price point that's competitive compared to all of the companies out there.…

It feels like they're catching up; there was a long lull where they seemed to focus entirely on iphone, with the occasional macbook because they needed devices to make apps for iphone on.

I mean their bread and butter will still be the iphone and co, but I'm glad they seem to have moved away from min/maxing for whatever brings in the most money.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by jwr »

areoform wrote: post #22

I would like to highlight just how much Apple is focusing on their customers and use cases right now. It seems that they're targeting products to what their professional customers actually want. And in this case, it's a 3.7" little thing that can process 18 streams of 8k video (fully specced out). That's kinda crazy, and they're doing it at a price point that's competitive compared to all of the companies out there.…

I'm annoyed at how narrow their concept of "use cases" is.

I mean, are there really so many "pros" that need 18 streams of 8k video? Seriously? That's where all the money is? How does the market support so many "creative pros"?

Meanwhile, I know that Fusion 360 is going to suck as it always does, with its crappy slow graphics and clunky UI, and my docker containers will run dog slow.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by EveYoung »

enoch2090 wrote: post #609
areoform wrote: post #22

I would like to highlight just how much Apple is focusing on their customers and use cases right now. It seems that they're targeting products to what their professional customers actually want. And in this case, it's a 3.7" little thing that can process 18 streams of 8k video (fully specced out). That's kinda crazy, and they're doing it at a price point that's competitive compared to all of the companies out there.…

As a programmer, data scientist and macOS user, I have to say I'm just annoyed by Apple these years. They've built a preset of users who may use their products, on that list are "Creative producers", etc. I'm not saying creative works aren't important - I personally enjoy poems, movies and photography very much. But just imagine how many MacBook Pros and other products Apple sell each year - does the world need that…

Everyone in my data science team is using MacBook Pros right now. At least in a corperate environment, I don't know why you would even want to train models locally. We either do it in the cloud (Databricks / SageMaker) or remote into on-premise workstations for research & experiments.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by wyclif »

aldanor wrote: post #218
areoform wrote: post #22

I would like to highlight just how much Apple is focusing on their customers and use cases right now. It seems that they're targeting products to what their professional customers actually want. And in this case, it's a 3.7" little thing that can process 18 streams of 8k video (fully specced out). That's kinda crazy, and they're doing it at a price point that's competitive compared to all of the companies out there.…

I really wish they focused on bigger displays too. For music/video production having at least 2x27'' screen size is crucial. But two is kind of weird because you can't centre any app. And there is kind of too much...

I've never understood why 2x27" is supposedly "crucial" for music/video production. I had two large monitors for a while; eventually I went back to one slightly larger monitor because I found it was more comfortable and ergonomic to be staring at a single surface perpendicular to my eyes.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by wyclif »

spfzero wrote: post #268
lquist wrote: post #151

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Why are they doing this? Trickle down effects for their mass market products? There is no way that the prosumer market is big enough to justify this distraction for Apple even if it used to be their core business line.

Apple's market share has always been a small slice of the overall PC market. In a way, they never did "mass market". While the prosumer market may be a small proportion of the overall market, it could be very significant, for Apple, relative to the market Apple addresses. Plus, I think a lot of people who would not normally call themselves a "prosumer" will want, and purchase these.

"Prosumer" is also a somewhat vague term. It's probably supposed to mean consumers with lots of disposable income, but if you're an engineer, developer, video editor, or studio musician it just means you think of Apple hardware as a business expense.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by sofixa »

alwillis wrote: post #413
spfzero wrote: post #268

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Apple's market share has always been a small slice of the overall PC market. In a way, they never did "mass market". While the prosumer market may be a small proportion of the overall market, it could be very significant, for Apple, relative to the market Apple addresses. Plus, I think a lot of people who would not normally call themselves a "prosumer" will want, and purchase these.

Apple's market share has always been a small slice of the overall PC market. Small is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Apple sold nearly $11 billion worth of Macs last quarter. Once you get out of the HN echo chamber and enterprise IT circles, Macs are quite popular. In a way, they never did "mass market". Having an Apple Store within a 20 minute drive of 80% of the American public counts as mass market [1]. Hav…

> It's not just prosumers; it's normies who just want a good computer made by a company they've heard of and trust vs. a cheap plastic 3rd tier PC from a manufacturer they're vaguely familiar with

It's like when people say their iPhone is better quality than a $200 Xiaomi phone. Well, duh??? Why are you even comparing them? If you look at higher tier Xiaomi phones, or in your example, laptops from reputable companies such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus, they're much closer in build quality, have a choice of tradeoffs ( you can choose if you want small, light, long battery life, type of screen, ports, performance, etc. and not have Apple choose), and were still quite a bit cheaper than equivalent specs Macbooks. That's no longer quite as valid for laptops due to the M1s l, but is still valid for phones.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by neotek »

vbezhenar wrote: post #595
Shadonototra wrote: post #577

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> I don’t buy Apple products for philosophical reasons philosophical? they are the most responsible company ever https://www.apple.com/environment/ they push performance limit while maintaining very low power consumption What's philosophical into buying Intel or Microsoft Windows that constantly spy on you and forces bloat on your face year after year? Apple reinvest into its OS and HW, i don't understand your logic

Apple pushes promotions of their services into my face all the time. Apple Music, Apple Arcade, Apple Whatever. I hate it. At least with Windows I can disable it once and forget about it.

Microsoft puts ads in the file explorer, pre-loads its OS with bloatware and unremovable (other than by using third-party hacks) system tray icons for software nobody wants or cares about, spies on absolutely everything all of the time, and sometimes surreptitiously re-enables all of the above when you've gone out of your way to disable them - and it's Apple you think is pushing their services into your face all the time?

I feel like Windows users have become hostages without realising it, trapped in an endless cycle of abuse designed to mentally beat them into submission until they just stop noticing the horror of what Windows has become. Even the UI is an insane hodge-podge of bizarre interaction paradigms and half-finished flows that make it seem like everyone on the design team suffers from split personality disorder.

If it's what you have to use because you need Windows-only tools or you have games that won't run under Proton or WINE or whatever then I get it, but I will never understand people who consciously choose to use such a hateful, abusive OS.

And for what it's worth, I can't think of a time that macOS has ever mentioned Apple Music or Apple Arcade or any other Apple service other than iCloud to me, and even then it's only been when I've run out of cloud storage space and needed to upgrade anyway.

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