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Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by swiftcoder »

gtvwill wrote: post #440
ricardobeat wrote: post #417

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Since the context here is using these machines for work, a mid-level engineer will easily cost an extra $1000* in his own time to put that together :) EDIT: I’m quite confident this is not at all an exaggeration. Unless you have put together PCs for a living. $100/h (total employment cost, not just salary), 1-2 hours of actual build & setup, 8 more hours of speccing out parts, buying, taking delivery, installing stuf…

1000 bucks for 45 mins work? Maybe 1.5hrs tops? I didn't realise their wage was >500 an hour?

It's a lot closer than you might think.

A senior engineer in the Bay can easily pull down $400k/year in total comp, which is $200/hour. The rule of thumb I've always heard is that a fully-loaded engineer costs roughly 2x their comp in taxes/insurance/facilities/etc.

When someone costs the company north of $3k/day, it's cheaper all round to just plonk a brand new $6k MacBook Pro on their desk if they have a hardware issue.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by GekkePrutser »

blitzar wrote: post #662
oneplane wrote: post #584

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There are dedicated ML cards from Nvidia for that, far most powerful than a 3090, so that is indeed true. But PPW is never irrelevant when someone is doing things at scale, so the question becomes: who is doing this for money but somehow not at scale?

The cost of powering my 3090 for a year is now more than the cost (RRP) of a 3090.

But do you really run it all year round?

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by Transisto »

Interesting how so many of their benchmarks are based on the number of 8k stream they can playback or edit at once but OSX doesn't support outputting to 8K resolution. Most likely crippled until Apple come up with their own 8K monitors.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by freemint »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #341
whoisburbansky wrote: post #301

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Cursory look gives you a ~$3500 price tag for a gaming PC with a 3090 [1], vs. at least $4k for a Mac Studio with an M1 Ultra. Roughly the same ballpark, but I wouldn't call the M1 Ultra more affordable given those numbers. 1. https://techguided.com/best-rtx-3090-gaming-pc/#:~:text=With... .

> Cursory look gives you a ~$3500 price tag for a gaming PC with a 3090 That 3500 is for a DIY build. So, sure, you can always save on labor and hassle, but prebuilt 3090 rigs commonly cost over 4k. And if you don't want to buy from Amazon because of their notorious history of mixing components from different suppliers and reselling used returns, oof, good luck even getting one.

At MicroCenter you would be hard pressed to pay more then $250 on their PC building service, you'll even get water coling installed and tested for this price. https://www.microcenter.com/site/service/instore-custom-pc-b...

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by arvinsim »

doublepg23 wrote: post #627
mixedCase wrote: post #501

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AMD has never disappointed me in this regard.

Zen 4 will being using a new socket, I wouldn’t go buying a Zen 3 with plans to upgrade the CPU down the road.

This is already known for a long time already. You would have to actively choose to not listen to AMD news to not know.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by GekkePrutser »

gambiting wrote: post #672
cpuguy83 wrote: post #475

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Wait, you can get a 3090?

3090 is literally the easiest card to get at RRP, at least here in UK. Set up discord alerts, the FE cards stay in stock for hours, the last one in February was in stock for the entire day so anyone who wanted to buy one at RRP(£1399) could do so without any issue at all.

This.. The FE is in stock every month for RRP. The 3080Ti too, I got mine that way.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by EugeneOZ »

charrondev wrote: post #673
ohgodplsno wrote: post #651

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Congratulations, no video card in the world is able to keep up a 5k res at 60FPS while doing even slightly demanding things. Nor will the M1 Ultra be.

My 3090 can drive 4k100hz for most demanding games at their highest settings. Some games are a stable 4k120 and others are more like 4k75. I feel the 3090 could feasibly drive 5k60 as a result.

They are not the most demanding games, that's why :)

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by freemint »

fouc wrote: post #597
TuringNYC wrote: post #572

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We've followed five different instructional and documentation pages to make it happen and none seem to consistently install. Throw in a corporate system where you need IT for root access to make changes and it is game over. So i've got an M1-max fully loaded and cant get TF running on it. Now i've got a team of data scientists in a fully MBP shop and we're holding off upgrades to M1 until this all gets resolved. On m…

Could be worth tracking what you did and make a new set of instructions, and trying to reproduce with a fresh install.

This is something Apple should pay people for.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by arvinsim »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #378
outworlder wrote: post #367

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Too bad that historically Apple has not given any attention to Mac gaming.

Part of Apple's historic MO has been to not invest in areas they don't see themselves having a competitive advantage in. Now that they can make gaming happen with a very low wattage budget they may well try to enter that space in earnest.

Or maybe Jobs was just salty about the Halo buyout?

In any case, it's a moot point. Apple clearly doesn't care about desktop gaming and it shows in both their hardware and software.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Post by GekkePrutser »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #612
vimy wrote: post #609

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You also need to compare the right cpu. M1 Ultra cpu is the equivalent of the fastest threadripper. Which costs $3990. So a pc with similar performance would be $7500

Not the top-of-the-line threadripper (which can go up to 32c/64t), but probably similar to the 5950x (16c/32t), which costs like 1000$. But you’re comparing apples to oranges, because the real advantage of M1 chips is the unified memory - almost no CPU-GPU communication overhead, and that the GPU can use ginormous amounts of memory.

A threadripper also has many more PCIe lanes than a Ryzen. It's a bit of a different usecase I think although there's overlap.
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