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Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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What has never made sense to me is that the IQ effects aren't equally visible across income/class groups, but we know there are millions of wealthy people living in old housing in Boston and NYC and Providence and so on. Lead levels in those houses must be just as high, right? But those kids aren't experiencing the same IQ effects. Surely this suggests that something else is a bigger factor?

Wealthy people are more likely to have good childcare (nannies, after school activities) where kids spend less time unsupervised and able to, for example, eat paint chips. For that matter, stuff like chipped paint is less likely to be left in a deteriorating state by more affluent owners.

Unemployed people don't need nannies, and they're the poorest. I think you're deliberately avoiding saying that poor people abuse their children, which is true. It's not much about affording anything.

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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One of the most heartbreaking things I ever learned about was the high levels of lead in Mexican candy. This is apparently mostly due to the inks used in the packaging. https://annalsofglobalhealth.org/articles/10.5334/aogh.2754/ The following paper also pegs pottery as an issue. Just devastating. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221499961... > Our results indicate that more than 15% of the populati…

Ah crud...in years past I have bought large bags of Mexican candy from Amazon...and subsequently eaten all of it. :( Does anyone know if there is a test that can tell "historical" levels of lead? It sticks around in the blood right? So if I get a regular lead test will it account for any historical consumption? Has there also been any research into devising a test to determine if IQ has fallen due to lead poisoning?…

Eating a few bags of candy isn't going to do it. It's going to take years and years of constant exposure. People in this thread need to calm down. Even if you did lose 5 IQ points, it's not like Flowers For Algernon here... No one would even notice. The only reason we can is due to large sample sizes over decades and decades.

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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This headline is very bad, because it sounds like the observation you would get if there were no effect.

How does "Thing decreased in half" sound like the effect you'd expect from population independent variables? If, in the last century, the average number of toes had decreased in half I'd have a hell of a lot of questions.

"the average number of toes had decreased in half" is very hard to parse. I have no idea what you intended by this proposition, but here is my interpretation, and yes, I believe you do expect to see one half of the population average a lower number of toes.

Say I measure the average number of toes in the population twice. Once in 1990, and once in 2020, and there is no difference in the average number of toes between these two populations. Now instead imagine, for my second measurement, that I sort the people by how many toes they have, pick midpoint of that list, and take the average number of toes in each group. The average number of toes has now indeed decreased in this half. Mind you, I'm just responding to what you said. I have no idea what you meant.

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Titanium dioxide is also widely used in cosmetics because it blocks ultraviolet light. Together with zinc oxide, it's the basis of sunscreen. As a pigment, titanium dioxide also seems like it's currently the go-to less toxic replacement for the lead-based pigments in lead paint.

Is it absorbed through skin pores when we put on sunscreen??

No, and there is no reason to believe it's toxic if you read the Wikipedia article.

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Wealthy people are more likely to have good childcare (nannies, after school activities) where kids spend less time unsupervised and able to, for example, eat paint chips. For that matter, stuff like chipped paint is less likely to be left in a deteriorating state by more affluent owners.

Just as a matter of common sense and gut-check plausibility, what are we talking about when we talk about "eating paint chips?" Does eating a couple flakes lower your IQ in a measurable way? Seems very unlikely. What are we talking about, then? Do we imagine kids to be shoveling paint chips into their mouth day after day? Surely that's a pretty small number of children (if it's any), nowhere near enough to suggest ge…

My personal experience as a landlord: kids putting their mouths on rails and banisters that are at the level of their mouths. Vivid memories of kids standing around just hanging out on the deck (pre-Internet obviously) with their mouth on the rail. "Does eating a couple flakes lower your IQ in a measurable way? Seems very unlikely." Like asking about the effect of a little second-hand smoke. Probably not a measurable effect, but many people would not be consoled by the inability of the data to register an effect.

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Learned about this phenomenon when considering buying a home built prior to 1978. The highest blood lead levels are seen in children living in denser population areas at or below poverty thresholds. Homes in these largely urban, low-income areas are disproportionately built before 1978 and subject inhabiting children to a significantly higher lead exposure risk. In 2014, it was estimated that 90 percent of all DC hom…

The issue is similar to the asbestos mania. Lead paint is a problem for young children mostly when it peels and gets ingested, or pulverizes and ends up in the air. Because the strategy is elimination, lead remediation is a huge expense and has driven landlord behavior to embrace incredulous ignorance. There’s actually an incentive to not maintain property in some cases - remediation may exceed the value of the prope…

I live in an 1820s farmhouse and had some new windows put in a while back. Basically the installers were “You have lead and we’re going to charge a bit more for the necessary procedures” and everyone was fine with that. It’s a matter if not having a bunch of flaking paint. If that isn’t a reasonable answer, even if there isn’t flaking paint, the answer is basically don’t live in an old place if you can avoid it.

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Is IQ really quantifiable and measurable and is it comparable across different people, different geographies and races? I didn’t think it was, may be I am wrong. How is IQ even defined?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

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I was recently horrified to learn that the baby glass bottle I had been using with my baby had lead paint on it. https://tamararubin.com/2021/12/sailor-themed-glass-nuk-baby... Apparently, it's considered to be acceptable by current standards. Despite the fact that babies will obviously touch the bottle (and the paint) and then put their hands in their mouth. I bought glass bottles because I wanted to avoid plastic t…

There's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide#Possible_carc... , which is used in many glazes and coatings, but also as a whitener in health supplements and toothpaste!

Also in food; ice cream (eg. Tillamook White Chocolate Raspberry) and cereals (eg. Trader Joe’s fruity “Joe’s O’s” IIRC).

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Learned about this phenomenon when considering buying a home built prior to 1978. The highest blood lead levels are seen in children living in denser population areas at or below poverty thresholds. Homes in these largely urban, low-income areas are disproportionately built before 1978 and subject inhabiting children to a significantly higher lead exposure risk. In 2014, it was estimated that 90 percent of all DC hom…

Yes because the reason they they are prodominantly represented in those neighborhoods just because they were redlined there as a matter of public policy for decades

Yes, even if redlining wasn't occurring and allowed for access to credit so they could lever up on a mortgage in nicer, newer neighborhoods, that would simply

1) alter representation in poorer neighborhoods, as in, black people wouldn't be so heavily represented, but then you would still have the problem of somebody being exposed to lead paint and apathetic landlords

2) the additional demand would wind up pushing people to the bad neighborhoods anyway, some part of me thinks getting right back to square one, but there are a ton of variables there. (Like maybe the higher prices would have incentivized more developers, or even the landlords of bad buildings to renovate)

the outcome that has occurred is still messed up. a lot of race based discrimination in the US against black people has had an economic rationalizing, I wonder if the increased pricing was a factor, alongside more clear cut segregationist idea.

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Learned about this phenomenon when considering buying a home built prior to 1978. The highest blood lead levels are seen in children living in denser population areas at or below poverty thresholds. Homes in these largely urban, low-income areas are disproportionately built before 1978 and subject inhabiting children to a significantly higher lead exposure risk. In 2014, it was estimated that 90 percent of all DC hom…

> because lead lobbyists continued to disrupt regulation efforts. I have genuine, actual trouble maintaining faith in humanity when I hear about people like this existing. It just makes me incredibly depressed and bummed out about life.

To add to this, they still mine (and make products from) Asbestos to this day in Russia. They even have open pit mines and use explosives.
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