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The History of Sanctions

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Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by zardo »

type0 wrote: post #31
sanxiyn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's ridiculous. North Korea is not crazy, there is no conceivable reason why North Korea would use nukes against USA unless regime is attacked. If that was the goal, there was no reason for sanctions whatsoever. Truly, "nukes against USA" is much more ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion.

> ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion. Russia is threatened by NATO expansion as much as I am being threatened right now of being attacked by a rabid bear

Isn't the purpose of NATO to be prepared to fight a war with Russia?

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by type0 »

zardo wrote: post #51
type0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion. Russia is threatened by NATO expansion as much as I am being threatened right now of being attacked by a rabid bear

Isn't the purpose of NATO to be prepared to fight a war with Russia?

not just Russia, any country or collection of countries

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by dspillett »

virgilp wrote: post #48
dspillett wrote: post #44

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Some of that is a locality issue. Due to a mix of bad planning and Ukraine resisting rather more effectively than expected, Russian forces don't have enough equipment near the front lines so are falling back on what they can find for now. There is better equipment available elsewhere, but Russia is fairly large and getting that reinforcing equipment from one part to another is not an instantaneous process. I could be…

CNN good enough? https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news...

Possibly, depending on who their source “a US official” actually is.

If so, I have given Russian military strength far too much credit.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by type0 »

sanxiyn wrote: post #33
type0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't cover it that well, doesn't mean people across the World stopped despising Russians for what they are doing right now. edit: actually even Western media aren't doing good job, reporters are scared and shit themselves afraid of Russian fire strikes and don't go into areas where most of the fighting happens, some Czech media and other small nations do but that's it.

One thing Indian media does better than Western media is not to rebroadcast Zelensky indiscriminately. Let's face it: it's a propaganda. They should extract informational content, not quote verbatim. Just as you would do so for Russian media.

> is not to rebroadcast Zelensky indiscriminately. Let's face it: it's a propaganda.

What is exactly? Most of the time he just asks the World for help, do you mean it's not genuine!?

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by gutitout »

jmpman wrote: post #46

Sanctions should be increased even further. Russia experienced the sanctions following the Crimea annexation and scoffed. Due to that, they have been emboldened and attacked Ukraine. Now the sanctions should be tough enough that Russia, with the prospect of changing the plutonium cores of 5000 weapons every 10 years, or doing something else, will decide to do something else. Painful enough that the engineers designin…

Russia did not invade Ukraine because of sanctions. I don’t know why you think that.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by jmpman »

gutitout wrote: post #55
jmpman wrote: post #46

Sanctions should be increased even further. Russia experienced the sanctions following the Crimea annexation and scoffed. Due to that, they have been emboldened and attacked Ukraine. Now the sanctions should be tough enough that Russia, with the prospect of changing the plutonium cores of 5000 weapons every 10 years, or doing something else, will decide to do something else. Painful enough that the engineers designin…

Russia did not invade Ukraine because of sanctions. I don’t know why you think that.

The sanctions following Russia’s invasion of Crimea were not sufficient to deter Putin from attacking Ukraine. Russia calculated the pros/cons, and determined that the west would not impose significant sanctions, reducing the potential costs. The west should cut off all oil/gas from Russia, and sanction anyone who purchases oil/gas from Russia.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by jmpman »

zardo wrote: post #50
jmpman wrote: post #46

Sanctions should be increased even further. Russia experienced the sanctions following the Crimea annexation and scoffed. Due to that, they have been emboldened and attacked Ukraine. Now the sanctions should be tough enough that Russia, with the prospect of changing the plutonium cores of 5000 weapons every 10 years, or doing something else, will decide to do something else. Painful enough that the engineers designin…

Painful enough that the sick and poor can't get medicine and food?

Ask the people in Ukraine. Russia has a huge reserve. They can provide social services to their population.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by astkaasa »

Adrox wrote: post #28
sanxiyn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The (stated) goal of sanctions on North Korea was denuclearization. North Korea continued to do nuclear tests and haven't returned to NPT yet.

The goal on North Korea is not to invade South Korea or attack Japan. (And also to disable their ability to use nukes against USA). I would say goals were accomplished. We really don't know the state of nuclear missiles there and I could bet they are not in any very good shape...

NK and SK is still at war, they did not sign a peace contract.
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