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The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I once worked for a company where several groups were VERY vocal about their complaints about each other. It seemed like bitching about the other team(s) was part of the job. Lots of walls built here and there between teams. I kept quiet. I decided bitching was too tiresome / nobody was getting anything done, nobody was getting better by having complainants flung at them. After I established relationships with variou…

I call this employing tactical empathy and it is the single most important soft skill I learned. It's the only, only effective way to do cross-team coordination, arguably all the way up to C-level to C-level.

The old fashioned term for this is “politeness”

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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My favorite theory comes from an HN comment describing it as the "toaster fucker problem." I'd attempt to re-explain it, but the original comment is great (and easy to search for. Not many mentions of the phrase "toaster fucker" on HN.) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25667362

Fun fact, this theory actually comes from a 4chan post.

Here's the original 4chan post post

https://old.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5ofih3/beforeafter_t...

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I care about my public image only so far as how I can use it to help others. Letting everyone know this is probably really good for your public image. You sound so selfless. It's pretty sad to realize that there are people who go through life only doing things based on how what they do will benefit their image or perception by others. Some people have the the ability to do it subconsciously, perhaps without even real…

> Some people have the the ability to do it subconsciously, perhaps without even realising it.

As an LGBT latino software developer thanks for this. I was not even thinking about "diversity issue" when I wrote the the grandparent post but I'm not surprised it's the first thing that came up from a "Twitter Star".

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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> Your notion is that you should be entitled not even to hear about the problems of others Everyone believes this. There are too many people in the world to hear about all the problems. The problem with twitter is not that you hear about peoples problems, it's that you hear about too many to grok. The most political people I know are still periodically taking breaks from twitter because it's too much.

They in fact don't. Everybody does acknowledge practical limits, of course. We can't hear about everything. But that's different than wanting to live in a "happier and stress-free [...] fantasy world". Many people are actively interested in making the world better not just for themselves, but also for others.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Outrage always wins when it comes to attention.

The traditional news will never report on things that are going fine, they hyper focus on the (usually) bad exception. This incentive is to strong and perverse that they gladly misrepresent facts, dramatize them or even just make up stories.

When I discuss the day with my girlfriend, she won't tell me how the day largely went fine, the conversation is about that one colleague doing something wrong.

It's in all of us, we direct attention to deviations. Twitter exploits this to the very maximum on a scale not possible in the physical world.

The issue is not that people say outrageous things, they'll always do that. The real issue is that those views spread far and wide at breakneck speed, and thereby become popular or even culturally dominant.

Which is made possible by simple things like a retweet button and inflated follower counts. When you see somebody having 100K followers, you may think this is due to 100K people somehow searching for a person, browsing through lists of experts or having a connection with them in real life. Something you might call organic followers. That's not how it works at all. Based on engagement, after a particular threshold, it's a recommended account shown in front of many people, after that it snowballs and escalates.

And this is how you can have somebody "verified" and with 200K followers, that in real life is unemployed, has no particular useful expertise or insight, zero accomplishments, and absolutely thrive on the platform.

And it gets worse. These mid-tier influencers find each other. And if they align politically, they become an unstoppable force able to plaster the entire network with the dumbest of takes.

As this works so well, they become addicted to it. There can't be a quiet day, fresh outrage has to be constantly invented.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Don't use Twitter. It's rigged to piss you off. Use federated microblogging and join a like minded instance. I don't know about web 3.0 but the former is very appealing and works ok.

How to discover these instances? I would imagine that downside of this approach would be the danger of existing only within certain bubbles and never being exposed to different point of view.

if you're interested in checking out mastodon, here's a recommender system

https://instances.social/

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Do you have a link to this? I Googled the quote at the end and just found this weirdo tweeting under the hashtag #RealNiggas4Romney.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/24/washington-post-settles-250m-s... heres one link. search term is covington kid. basically just another case of left aligned news stations casually labelling everyone they don't like as 'racist'

I think it goes beyond that, sure the traditional media did not help things but this started on Twitter.

Someone edited down a video of what happened and shared it. It was boosted either by bots or by unsuspecting people but it set off what can only be described as a witch hunt. This is of course not the first time this has happened, we have had things like Donglegate(https://arstechnica.com/staff/2013/03/donglegate-is-classic-...) and Shirtgate(https://time.com/3589392/comet-shirt-storm/). But the events seem to be getting bigger in magnitude, i.e. drawing in international media(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46935701) and more numerous(sorry no stats, only my attention).

You can not run a society on mobs. I am not sure if it is Twitters design, the speed of information, the need to feel like part of the in group and/or a combination of all and more that is leading to the formation of mobs but it is not healthy.

I also think there is some cultural values at play as well, where the number of Twitter followers, being an influencer, or just being self centered is seen as a positive thing.

Part of me thinks that it might be related to the gamification of everything, if I post more more(of the right thing) I get more likes, followers, retweets by celebrity. Rather than if I post clear concise or well thought out things. Quality over quantity as it were.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I tried being a Twitter user for a bit last year, mostly because a lot of engineers I admire use it to communicate about interesting topics and also their work. But after a while, I realized even they will pollute my feed with politically divisive topics, whether it be from them retweeting something, or liking a tweet, or even entering into the fray themselves -- Twitter will find a way to get me to see it. For a whi…

Im not sure that the apolitical stance many people believe to hold is such an apolitical stance. In fact, living in any state and taking part in any kind of society is political in and of itself. You do not get to take part in any community without having a political stance - being part of a community is communicating that you agree with the morals and values of the community and wilfully accept them - thats the basi…

You think everything is political because you've failed to make a distinction between morality, culture, and politics. Politics doesn't have to do with "morals and values". It's not a political stance to have a birthday party for your 3 year old or pray in a church or a mosque.

Your second argument is "everything affects everything else". Using that argument we can prove that we're all mass murderers for keeping our thermostats at 70 degrees. One reason this way of thinking is so useless is that it fails to single out actual murderers (i.e. the person who pulls the trigger).

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I've been on twitter for only a few weeks since there is an election coming up in my country and the parties have a rather big presence there and I have no other social media, and I like that I can remain pseudonymous (as opposed to Facebook which has a real name policy). I've also been following the Ukraine invasion on there as well...I don't know if it's just the content I'm following but boy, it's tiring.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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So how do you feel about people who want to change the status quo in the exact opposite direction you want it changed? Do you want to hear from them a lot? Do you wish there were more of them in your twitter feed?

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I don't argue for political view points because I'm fairly certain I have no power and my opinions and beliefs don't matter. You know, like 99% of us.

Maybe yours do matter. Maybe you're a player with NGOs, elected government, media, academia, big business, or civil service. Mine don't though, I'm just another peasant who wants to keep his family safe and healthy. I wish things could be better but I see no viable path for that to happen that involves arguing politics on the internet.

The one concrete thing that could improve things for me and mine is making more money. LARPing as somebody important on twitter by arguing politics would just be a distraction from that.

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