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Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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While I'm not on the Apple train, I love how they are pushing AMD, Intel and NVidia out of complacency. No more of these little tiny incremental improvements to milk the industry. Bring your BEST to the table or get left behind!

None of those three were anywhere near complacent before Apple released the M1. A few years ago, before Zen, absolutely, but now it's actually very competitive. But more competition doesn't hurt

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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My workstation has a 3990x. Our "world" build is slightly faster on my M1 Max. https://twitter.com/kiratpandya/status/1457438725680480257 The 3990x runs a bit faster on the initial compile stage but the linking is single threaded and the M1 Max catches up at that point. I expect the M1 Ultra to crush the 3990x on compile time.

> The 3990x runs a bit faster on the initial compile stage but the linking is single threaded and the M1 Max catches up at that point. Isn't linking IO-bound?

For a clean build and a reasonably specced machine, all the intermediate artifacts will still be in the cache during linking.

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This is what some folks miss. One hour of my time is more expensive than an entire month of a computer electricity bill. Some people just want tasks to perform as fast as possible regardless of power consumption or portability. Life's short and time is finite. Every second adds up for repetitive tasks.

The only reason I've ever cared about watts is that generally speaking 120 watt and 180 watt processors require more complicated cooling solutions. That's less true today than it ever was. Cases are designed for things like liquid cooling, and they tend to be pretty silent. The processors stay cool, and are pretty reliable. I personally stick to the lower wattage ones because I don't generally need high end stuff, so…

Air coolers can handle 300 watts without any complexity. Just a big block of fins on heat pipes.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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While I'm not on the Apple train, I love how they are pushing AMD, Intel and NVidia out of complacency. No more of these little tiny incremental improvements to milk the industry. Bring your BEST to the table or get left behind!

Milk?

milk verb

  2 : to draw something from as if by milking: such as

    b : to draw or coerce profit or advantage from illicitly or to an extreme degree : exploit

      milk the joke for all it's worth
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/milk

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Neural Engine cores are not accessible for third party developers, so it'll be severely constrained for practical purposes. Currently the M1 Max is no match for even last generation mid-tier Nvidia GPU.

They are accessible to third party developers, only they have to use CoreML.

xD

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Cursory look gives you a ~$3500 price tag for a gaming PC with a 3090 [1], vs. at least $4k for a Mac Studio with an M1 Ultra. Roughly the same ballpark, but I wouldn't call the M1 Ultra more affordable given those numbers. 1. https://techguided.com/best-rtx-3090-gaming-pc/#:~:text=With... .

Hahaha good luck getting your hands on a 30xx series card though. Here in Australia, 3090’s go for close to 3k on their own.

We've been buying tons of 3090s at work for about 1.6 USD- 2k USD without to much trouble

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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This is insane. They claim that its GPU performance tops the RTX 3090, while using 200W less power. I happen to have this GPU on my PC and not only it costs over $3000, but its also very power-hungry and loud. Currently, you need this kind of GPU performance for high resolution VR gaming at 90 fps, but its just barely enough. This means that the GPU will run very loudly and heat up the room, and running games like HL…

Too bad that historically Apple has not given any attention to Mac gaming.

Apple has now too much money and is running out of core business areas. Expect more investing in non-Apple areas like gaming, cars, etc.

Though every video game company on the planet hates them because of App Store terms.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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While I'm not on the Apple train, I love how they are pushing AMD, Intel and NVidia out of complacency. No more of these little tiny incremental improvements to milk the industry. Bring your BEST to the table or get left behind!

This can also backfire on consumers if the competitors decide to keep up with their user-hostile practices as well: locked-down walled gardens, zero customisability/upgradability for hardware, low repairability, low interoperability with set standards to "distinguish" their products, planned obsolescence, etc.

Re: Apple M1 Ultra

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Is it actually more powerful than a top of the line threadripper[0] or is that not a "personal computer" CPU by this definition? I feel like 64 cores would beat 20 on some workloads even if the 20 were way faster in single core performance. [0] https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3...

It is worth noting that it has, at least according to Apple's graphs, slightly more than an RTX 3090 in graphics performance. So, even if it doesn't quite beat Threadripper in the CPU department - it will absolutely annihilate Threadripper in anything graphics-related. For this reason, I don't actually have a problem with Apple calling it the fastest. Yes, Threadripper might be marginally faster in real-world work th…

It wont be even close to RTX 3090 looking at m1 max and using same scaling maximum it can be close to 3070 performance.

We all need to take Apple claims with grain of salt as they are always cherrypicked so i wont be surprise if it wont be even 3070 performance in real usage.

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