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Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by frumper »

simpthrown8id wrote: post #478
frumper wrote: post #432

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You list a lot of things that aren't healthy. Can you give an example of a typical 2 meal day that doesn't include oils, fat, meat, dairy, or whatever else isn't healthy? I'm genuinely curious.

One NY times article stated: "Just eat food". As a general rule of thumb, they stated, if your great grandmother doesn't recognize it as food, it probably isn't. The primary food groups are: - Beans - Whole Grains - Fruits - Vegetables the two secondary groups are: - Nuts - Seeds And, you can eat some oil and sugar, just make sure it's not a vast amount. Know that anything in a wrapper or box or plastic bag that was…

Just skimming over your 2 meal day idea, it involves meal 1, meal 2, meal 3, meal 4. That seems a bit confusing to your don't eat more than 2 meals a day.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by jvanderbot »

nisegami wrote: post #418
jvanderbot wrote: post #396

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I think more people are alive now than have ever lived. I also think that means the next generation or two will have so many people on the planet that literally everyone who ever lived could still be alive and it would be the same. Scarcity is not the problem. Death is so far inevitable, but it is not necessary.

The dead outnumber the living at over 14:1 https://www.prb.org/articles/how-many-people-have-ever-lived...

Ah, perfect. I was mistaken.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by Gatsky »

ncmncm wrote: post #431
Gatsky wrote: post #392

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The effect is weak. The ubiquity of HPV infection should show a stronger association if it were important. It could contribute to a subset of prostate cancers, but this has not been proven beyond correlation. There are other issues - HPV related cancers like cervical cancer or head and neck cancer show an age related peak and decline, whereas prostate cancer incidence continues to rise with age. But the HPV vaccine i…

The effect will necessarily appear weak when incidence of HPV is over 80%. At 95% it would appear weaker yet. That any signal shows up under the circumstances means the effect is huge.

With respect, this isn’t an accurate interpretation of an odds ratio. If you look at other cancers with a clear viral cause (EBV and nasopharyngeal carcinoma, HPV and cervical cancer), you will see that nearly 100% of tumours show evidence of viral infection and the odds ratios are very high, even though the viruses are ubiquitous.

The data for HPV and prostate cancer suggest, at best, an indirect effect such as inflammation rather than direct viral oncogenesis.

In any case, how do you modify this potential risk factor? Celibacy or vaccination. As I said, I would encourage any teenage male to get the HPV vaccine. It is worth paying for, if you can.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

WinterMount223 wrote: post #425
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #399

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No, it most definitely isn't. I'm originally from the US, by the way. The midwest, if that helps. Some families will talk about it, others don't, and a lot will pass on talking about it if it was 'no big deal'. So the weird mole? Yeah, you probably didn't hear. You especially didn't hear if it was your cousin. Not everyone will talk about their prostate, especially folks more embarrassed about bodily functions or anu…

Ok I see. I’m from Italy and I know what medications my grandfather takes, that my grandma had cryosurgery for a malignant mole, and when my father goes to the proctologist. Also: families usually go to the same doctor so even if you don’t personally know something, your doctor probably will.

Ah, yeah, definite difference. Even when I was a child, we didn't go to the same doctor as my parents. My parents went to doctors that specialized in adults and wouldn't take patients under 18 - and it has been some time since I lived in the same town as my parents. Heck, it has been nearly a decade since I lived in the same country.

As far as I can tell, the US and Norway are similar - but heck, I'm an immigrant and haven't actually looked into this.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by Gatsky »

giantg2 wrote: post #404
Gatsky wrote: post #392

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The effect is weak. The ubiquity of HPV infection should show a stronger association if it were important. It could contribute to a subset of prostate cancers, but this has not been proven beyond correlation. There are other issues - HPV related cancers like cervical cancer or head and neck cancer show an age related peak and decline, whereas prostate cancer incidence continues to rise with age. But the HPV vaccine i…

True, it's interesting that it doesn't peak. Is that initial onset, or simply occurance? I ask that because prostate cancer has a very positive long term survival rate but also recurs in almost a third of cases. I wonder if the peak in other cancers is because long term survival is lower, or lomg term survival is also high but recurrence is lower.

That is incidence, ie first diagnosis for the patient.

Other HPV related cancers like head and neck cancers tend to have a good prognosis.

HPV almost certainly doesn’t cause direct viral oncogenesis in prostate ca. It may cause chronic inflammation which promotes prostate cancer. It may also infect/accelerate already malignant cells - this is the likely mechanism in nasopharyngeal carcinoma and EBV.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by Reflecticon »

jll29 wrote: post #279

First of all, I'm sorry to learn the author got cancer; I wish her all the best and continued strength. Many contributors have already made good suggestions how to reduce the risk of getting cancer, or how to deal with it; but I found most posts quite _technical_. Speaking in general terms, cancer is not a disease like a common cold. The human body sooner or later is bound to decay, which pretty much starts once one…

> I am at peace with that, for we need to make space for the next generation (only adding people to planet earth would not be sustainable, as resources are scarce - imagine nobody would ever die).

Thank you for this wonderful thought! I always struggle with mortality and my place in the world. You offered me a window into the grander scheme of things, that doesn't fall back on God or you are just a small speck in the grander scheme of things.

We are all here to keep our species going and hand over the marathon stick to the next generation and then step aside.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by anonymouse94759 »

jll29 wrote: post #279

First of all, I'm sorry to learn the author got cancer; I wish her all the best and continued strength. Many contributors have already made good suggestions how to reduce the risk of getting cancer, or how to deal with it; but I found most posts quite _technical_. Speaking in general terms, cancer is not a disease like a common cold. The human body sooner or later is bound to decay, which pretty much starts once one…

> for we need to make space for the next generation (only adding people to planet earth would not be sustainable, as resources are scarce - imagine nobody would ever die). Being on this planet for a limited time period makes it more important to make the right choices, because we have only one life.

Fertility rates are declining globally, even in Sub-Saharan Africa:

https://www.afd.fr/en/actualites/dramatic-drop-fertility-acr...

Unless lifespans radically expand, we will eventually start to run out of people. If this were 4chan, I would tell you outright what I really think of you, but since it isn't, I won't.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by bsder »

qgin wrote: post #368
giantg2 wrote: post #311

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"eventually will wipe any individual out." Sure, eventually. It's one thing if people are getting cancer or having heart attacks later in life. It's a little concerning when a fairly large number of younger people are afflicted. The rate of cancer has risen about 30% for young people since the seventies. So it seems that there's something wrong in our environment or lifestyles that could be increasing risk. That's ve…

A lot of health-related things took a turn for the worse in the 70s Obesity was 13% in 1970. Now it’s 42%. Obesity can increase cancer risk by 50% https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/focused-on-health/ho...

> A lot of health-related things took a turn for the worse in the 70s

People became far more mobile. Lots of diseases now seem to have some relation to viral exposure.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by anonymouse94759 »

lormayna wrote: post #77

As usual correlation don't imply causation. My uncle was a professional national level runner, he was the healtier person that I know: he ran several kilometers every day, ate correctly, no drinking, no smoking, sleep at least 8 hours/day, etc. He died from cardiovascular problems. This not means that a correct and healty lifestyle is not going to reduce the risk, but it's not the only factor.

>My uncle was a professional national level runner

Running long distances regularly isn't healthy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6U728AZnV0

Multiple studies have found a U-shaped curve of CAC scores as a function of regular running distance/intensity:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6543495/

Conclusion

A significantly higher rate of coronary artery calcification existed in long-term marathon, ultramarathon, and extreme runners than in submarathon runners. Marathoners and ultramarathoners also had a higher incidence of calcification, as well as higher average plaque burden, as compared to a standard database. Marathoners and ultramarathoners also had above-average coronary calcium scores as compared to a national database.

Other forms of endurance exercise (swimming, cycling) have similar effects if taken to excess . Sprinting short distances is great, and walking seems to have no upperbound on how much you can safely do of it (the Hadza do it all day and have childlike levels of LDL and minimal CAC).

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Post by barry-cotter »

LadyCailin wrote: post #459
barry-cotter wrote: post #299

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There’s no intellectually defensible way to price the externalities off remote work at a bajillion dollars a microsecond. On some level you have to trust someone somewhere to do a good job. Taxes are tools to help that, not a substitute for it.

There’s also no intellectually defensible way to price quite a number of potential negative externalities. Dumping toxic waste in drinking water reservoirs, for instance, shouldn’t be allowed at any price. So I don’t think taxes are the actual answer for a lot of things, you just have to straight up ban them.

No, you can price that. The cost will be so high that people won’t do it and pay the price. That’s the point. You can set a price on emissions or pollution and if it’s a small amount the piece may be worth paying. At higher levels you figure out how to do something else that is not that. You don’t just continue what you were doing at greater scale.
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