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The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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post #58

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Define "good" and "ok" first. A good person who doesn't use Twitter (someone who might fix cars, or works on a fishing vessel for example) who is having this little discussion about what is "good" and "ok" might very easily use the wrong words and offend someone.

Really? This is easy, don't hurt other people.

It's definitely not sufficient, we've seen people being cancelled who did not do anything bad.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I tried being a Twitter user for a bit last year, mostly because a lot of engineers I admire use it to communicate about interesting topics and also their work. But after a while, I realized even they will pollute my feed with politically divisive topics, whether it be from them retweeting something, or liking a tweet, or even entering into the fray themselves -- Twitter will find a way to get me to see it. For a whi…

One of my pet theories for why social media is such a cesspool is that it exposes us to the whole of someone else. If I play boardgames with Sue, that's enough. We meet, enjoy a beer and play some Catan and go our separate ways. That's a fine relationship. If I follow Sue on social media, now I know her politics, religion, sex life, drug usage, opinions on every little thing.. and frankly, I don't care or want to. I'…

While I agree in general, there are plenty of circumstances where people don't get to not have an opinion about things.

For example, you can't "agree to disagree" on LGBTQ rights if you belong to one of those categories. See also pregnant people and abortion rights.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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So, this article states that 42% of Americans identify as politically independent. This beats the next largest political identity (Democrats, 29%) by 13%. Yet, the political system has been rigged - obviously so, for anyone who cares to look - so that an independent party fails to get the 5% necessary to get onto the ballot and future funding for the next election cycle for presidential running.

How is it that there is nothing that can be done to alleviate this type of obvious voter suppression and electoral corruption on a national scale?

I understand this is tertiary to the title, but makes up a large part of the article, so I thought I'd bring it up.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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"Never pass up a chance to keep your mouth shut" Words my Dad taught me as I was growing up, but only really sank in the last 5 or so years ago.

Counter-advice: never suffer in silence. Don't keep quiet when there's help available.

Definitely, these two things are about two different kinds of statement though. One which directly affects you, where voicing will dramatically improve your situation. The second type of statement is where you discuss something as a hobby, which might not affect you or your close ones, and where you are under informed, and have little to gain personally, while running the full risk of offending someone.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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This article or ones like it are, IMHO, long overdue. There is a bias online for people who are always online. It sounds obvious but "tech" companies and people online ignore or have a blind spot for people who remain offline. "Tech" companies and avid internet users generally see the world through their computers. If something is not represented online, then it is unlikely to register with them as being relevant. For example, as alluded to this by this Axios article, the opinions of people who do not express their opinions online.

It is rare to find someone online advising readers to ditch their pocket computers and disconnect their laptops. It would be like a newspaper pre-internet advising readers to stop buying newspapers. Therefore, everything read online must be weighed against this self-serving bias. Web traffic is the lifeblood of Google, Facebook and their ilk. If people go offline, the losses would be substantial. The civilised world can survive offline, as it did when many of us were born, and for centuries before, but Big Tech and their wannabes cannot. This is because, generally, they are only internediaries (middlemen). They sit on a computer network, observe and manipulate traffic of the people who use it. These companies want people online 24/7. As the article states only a minority of people have complied. Contrary to the title, this offline majority is neither new nor silent.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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post #107

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It really isn't changing that much though. Maybe if you think someone might be offended by what you say in 10 years, maybe don't say it now. It's probably offensive now

Are there any of your own beliefs which you don't express because they might be considered offensive in the future?

I don't think i hold offensive beliefs (controversial maybe, as we see here, but no ones getting their feelings hurt), if I did and learned about I'd change them. It seems easy to not be offensive though, what kind of beliefs are people having trouble with?

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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post #77

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It's really easy to not be burned at the stake, just don't be a witch.

Being canceled isn't even a real thing. It's just a phrase people use because they have to have consequences when they show their true selves. Some group of people don't agree with you? Show me an example of being canceled then

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Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I tried being a Twitter user for a bit last year, mostly because a lot of engineers I admire use it to communicate about interesting topics and also their work. But after a while, I realized even they will pollute my feed with politically divisive topics, whether it be from them retweeting something, or liking a tweet, or even entering into the fray themselves -- Twitter will find a way to get me to see it. For a whi…

I'm only a douchebag if I'm anon. No idea where people are getting that it's OK to be authentic while attached to your real name.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

#210
post #55

"Never pass up a chance to keep your mouth shut" Words my Dad taught me as I was growing up, but only really sank in the last 5 or so years ago.

I once worked for a company where several groups were VERY vocal about their complaints about each other. It seemed like bitching about the other team(s) was part of the job. Lots of walls built here and there between teams. I kept quiet. I decided bitching was too tiresome / nobody was getting anything done, nobody was getting better by having complainants flung at them. After I established relationships with variou…

> right and wrong (well outside real moral issues)

Even moral issues don't have objective right and wrong. The idea that there are base moral facts is ridiculous, and without fully understanding each others priors arguments about ethics are rarely productive.

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