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I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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- micro plastic everywhere, water, food, ground. Majority of American women breastfeed their children with their own milk containing plastic - cancerous substances from cars exhaustion, cigarettes and such going inside people every day of their lives - toxic and cancerous chemicals used for processing foods and drinks we are breathing, drinking, eating and staying in contact with cancerous substances 24/h day. I'm su…

"switch to a sustainable diet and ditch intensive farms using chemicals to boost production" Do we know what the population limit would be for us to sustainably support people?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/07/world/asia/sri-lanka-orga...

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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"expose you to more polluted air" It's actually quite wrong, compared to cars for example https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/cyclists...

You were comparing to working out indoors not working out in a car initially.

sure, but most people would use cars for commuting to different places, including their indoor gym, and the other idea is practical working out (commuting is your working out)

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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That sucks but I wouldn't beat myself up over a diagnosis over something like that. It's largely genetic.

My dad is a Vietnam vet in his 70s who drinks, smokes, and has way too much coffee. And he's fought 2 tours in Vietnam, 3 bouts of cancer, and a whole other host of issues.

Some people can't be killed. Others get cancer in their 20s. You do the best that you can and try not to beat yourself up if you get an unlucky draw.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Vitamin D deficiency is probably playing a not insignificant part in what you're seeing.

I still think it's pollution. There are many other countries with low levels of D which are ranking much better than Belgium https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/global-cancer-data-by-cou...

Why is Belgium so polluted, though? This is the first time I'm learning about it.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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> Being on this planet for a limited time period makes it more important to make the right choices, because we have only one life. The thought may be freeing to you, but many others become paralysed by it, obsessing about “the right choices” at every moment. An alternate view: it is because we only have one limited life that our choices don’t matter. We and everyone our choices touch will die, and nothing will have m…

I agree. Living by a greedy algorithm (living each moment like it is your last) might leave one with no retirement funds in case one doesn't die early.

This is very true

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Yes, and what is contributing to obesity? Are there environmental factors affecting androgenic functions? Is it all just people being sedentary over eaters? Or something else?

- micro plastic everywhere, water, food, ground. Majority of American women breastfeed their children with their own milk containing plastic - cancerous substances from cars exhaustion, cigarettes and such going inside people every day of their lives - toxic and cancerous chemicals used for processing foods and drinks we are breathing, drinking, eating and staying in contact with cancerous substances 24/h day. I'm su…

New information is coming out that seems to imply that the content of the fats we eat have effects on the body. Unsaturated fats seem to be obesogenic and interfere with the body's satiation mechanism, increasing the amount of white fat and decreasing the amount of brown fat (which is more metabolically active and may be the kind of fat that is lost first when people start dieting, which would explain part of the yo-yo dieting lose a lot of weight and then get stuck and gain more back system that plagues the obese), and the American food purity aesthetic has been pushing for the elimination of saturated fats from the diet as they typically come from animal sources.

Once the body hits a tipping point with excess white body fat, the fat becomes a sort of parasite which gets preferential treatment in consuming calories and nutritional resources out of the bloodstream, starving the organs while the body is bathing in an abundance of calories and nutrition.

If this turns out to be the whole story it is really quite insidious!

I don't know of a single-prong approach to solving this issue. Maybe wegovy will come down in price and help people break the cycle, maybe keto is the way to go, intermittent fasting may be helpful, finding saturated fats or supplementing with stearic acids and eliminating antioxidants to help promote fat oxidization... The list goes on for potential cures and we still haven't even begun work on solidifying the direct cause of the disease.

And yes, obesity is a disease. It's not just lazy people shoveling doritos in their faces and reaping their just rewards. The foods that we are provided are not balanced nutritionally and they have been designed by food scientists to not trigger the satiation mechanism so that we will consume more of them.

So yeah, when you eat processed foods your brain is tricked into thinking one more bite will satisfy, but the satisfaction never comes. Then you overindulge, getting lots of fast carbs and unsaturated fats, your body produces insulin, the calories get converted into white fat, the white fat grows, eventually becoming a parasite that eats your food first while you still haven't dealt with the initial issue, you become obese and since your white fat gets to eat first every time you eat you become more fat before your organs and muscles get the leftovers.

That's positively devilish, and right now the solution seems to be to intermittent fast so that your other organs get moved ahead in the nutritional priority list, to eat keto so that your body begins rapidly oxidizing fat, to limit vitamin C and other antioxidants until you get closer to your goal weight to limit your body fat's resistance to oxidization, and to supplement your diet with chemicals that help your body bypass the labyrinth of obesity you've found yourself in.

And despite all of that, we still don't know the full story.

https://fireinabottle.net/category/the-scd1-theory-of-obesit...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-sugar-and-fat...

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinar...

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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This blog spent a bunch of time trying to answer that question, and specifically to figure out which environmental factors might be causing the effect. They looked at lithium, PFAS, antibiotic contamination and a few other candidates. This is definitely not peer-reviewed research so please don't take it too seriously, but I came away convinced that there is more going on here than "people suddenly started eating too…

We already know the key contributor: we eat enormously more sugar now than our parents did, and enormously less saturated fat. Now that we know, with certainty, what a disastrous choice this was, it will take time to switch back. Most people are still convinced saturated fat is the bugaboo it has been painted as, and that sugar is A-OK, and government policy is still overwhelmingly directed that way. What can be done…

The main point the blog makes is that there's a huge discontinuity in the 1970s that doesn't seem to be explained by diet. And it occurs in other countries as well, though often with a delay.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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> Some things you do are for survival, of course you wouldn't do those in your final hour because survival isn't a concern anymore. And some things you do are not for survival, yet they continue to be the right choice if you’re not living your final day. Like mending your favourite t-shirt. Cooking a meal was an example which just happens to overlap with survival. The point stands. > If on your last day, you want to…

Survival was also just an example of a type of need. I'll be honest, I don't know how to answer this without rambling about virtue vs consequential ethics. It's not about what you are doing, it's about why you are doing it. It seems like you feel like you life a life where you are happy with the choices you make. Not everyone gets this. I try to live my life so that when my last day comes, I won't want to suddenly ha…

> I'll be honest, I don't know how to answer this without rambling about virtue vs consequential ethics.

That’s OK. This is just a discussion on the web we’re both likely to eventually forget. Were we speaking in person, I’d find it valuable to discuss it further, ramblings and all.

Worth noting that of the two points I expressed in my original comment, I find the other one to be the more interesting of the two.

> It seems like you feel like you life a life where you are happy with the choices you make. Not everyone gets this.

I feel confident in saying the answer to the first sentence has no bearing on my opinion on the matter. By that same token, I also agree with the second sentence.

> Some people have a harder time finding that path, and need to remember to check in with themselves more often.

Fair enough. Someone said “it’s never your successful friends posting the inspirational quotes”, though (assuming it’s true) that could just very well be because those are precisely the friends who don’t need external reinforcement.

I feel that given more time and a better setting to discuss, one or both of us might begin to tweak our view. I would have enjoyed that. Thank you for a constructive (though brief) conversation.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Ok, so instead of “force companies to allow remote work” it’s “tax companies that don’t allow remote work a bajillion dollars a microsecond”. What’s the practical difference there?

There’s no intellectually defensible way to price the externalities off remote work at a bajillion dollars a microsecond. On some level you have to trust someone somewhere to do a good job. Taxes are tools to help that, not a substitute for it.

There’s also no intellectually defensible way to price quite a number of potential negative externalities. Dumping toxic waste in drinking water reservoirs, for instance, shouldn’t be allowed at any price. So I don’t think taxes are the actual answer for a lot of things, you just have to straight up ban them.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Seema is the wife of the founder of one of the biggest online stock brokerage firm called Zerodha.

> I have been getting a full-body health check-up done regularly for many years. > In my annual checkup the year before..

Thanks that explains it. I was wondering how many people in India could afford regular health checkups and preventative care.

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