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Venting doesn’t work

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Re: Venting doesn’t work

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If true, wouldn’t this undermine the entire psychiatric approach of behavioral cognitive therapy and ideas such as confronting one’s fears and talking through problems?

I went through a Veterans Administration course of CBT and In Vivo Exposure Therapy and it was nothing like the "primal scream" therapies I did in the 90's that you may be thinking of. I thought "venting" was disproven to work in the late last century. That said, anything that interrupts a looping thought process is good. I've gone to the beach and rolled around in the cold pounding surf just to reset my head.

https://centerforanxietydisorders.com/treatment-programs/in-...

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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Stop using small sample sized studies done on college campuses (n = 600, 178, 60) to push clickbait headline articles. Sounds like saying, "Don't cry when you're sad it Doesn't Work" How about let people do what they want? People vent because they want to know they aren't crazy or at fault. Not because they're trying to be calm or forget grievances.

Like almost all analogies - it's a bad analogy.

Catharsis has a long history of study and proponents of catharsis have yet to get a "win".

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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It sounds like the aggressive behavior was measured pretty soon after hitting the punching bag. It would be interesting to run the test again after the adrenaline has worn off. I don't think proponents of catharsis are claiming that screaming at a tree if going to instantly make you calmer, it's that later that day you might feel better. Also, participants were instructed to focus their anger on the perpetrator of th…

Do you know of a single study that supports catharsis? Because all studies I know of disprove or end up inconclusive.

I know catharsis was extremely helpful in my grieving process.

Realistically, I'm not sure how you would even design a study to accurately measure the effects. Any sort of cathartic experience would necessarily be self-reported and we all know the accuracy of self-report studies.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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Stop using small sample sized studies done on college campuses (n = 600, 178, 60) to push clickbait headline articles. Sounds like saying, "Don't cry when you're sad it Doesn't Work" How about let people do what they want? People vent because they want to know they aren't crazy or at fault. Not because they're trying to be calm or forget grievances.

The article reads as though its author has a vested interest in protecting some status quo that people complain about a lot. Like they just can't stand hearing people vent because they hate being reminded that people are unhappy.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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post #9

It sounds like the aggressive behavior was measured pretty soon after hitting the punching bag. It would be interesting to run the test again after the adrenaline has worn off. I don't think proponents of catharsis are claiming that screaming at a tree if going to instantly make you calmer, it's that later that day you might feel better. Also, participants were instructed to focus their anger on the perpetrator of th…

Do you know of a single study that supports catharsis? Because all studies I know of disprove or end up inconclusive.

No, just anecdotally I've seen it work for other people and it's worked for me at times as well. But that's not to say some other method wouldn't have worked just as well. And "worked" is a loose term, that just means "happier and less angry", rather than some form of perfection.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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There's a saying "the squeeky wheel get's the grease". People usually do what works for them. thats exactly why we still see fist fights, disinformation, yelling, racisim, war, complaining, etc. It does what it was intended to do. Otherwise, people would do something else.

A leaky cauldron gets thrown out, is the counterargument here.

If you want to be angrier or as angry - catharsis is great.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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Catharsis(aka venting) has had a multiple studies saying that it doesn't work. Stop venting. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1967-02716-001 - it's even in the abstract.

This is your 3rd post in the thread, alleging that catharsis doesn't work.

Now, personally, I don't have skin in the game, so I can't tell you whether it works or not.

But the fact that you're citing a 1967 psych study done on 9 year old kids tells me you have some kind of agenda for whatever reason. Not only are most psych studies flat out junk, but the 50s and 60s was the time of particularly egregious junk science. Remember, that's the time they still did lobotomies.

Besides, the study you cited only limits itself to cathartic aggression, which is clearly not the only case for the experience.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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> The idea of venting can be traced as far back as Aristotle, but Freud is the one who really popularized the notion of catharsis. Most of what we assume about the need to “let it out” comes from his assertions about the danger of unexpressed feelings. In the “hydraulic model,” frustration and anger build up inside you and, unless periodically released in small bursts, cause a massive explosion. Starting in the 1960s, this theory was debunked by so many lab experiments that researcher Carol Tavris concluded in 1988, “It is time to put a bullet, once and for all, through the heart of the catharsis hypothesis.”

I think there is some truth to the original theory, but not all "venting" is equal. I definitely have at times experienced growing resentment towards people in my life due to not fully confronting the feelings I had about my interactions with them, but in general I don't think that angry outbursts are a healthy way to deal with this. In an ideal relationship (general term, not necessarily "romantic relationship"), I think honest but empathetic and non-judgmental conversations between the parties is often going to be the only way to truly alleviate those feelings; being able to tell someone why you were hurt by their actions without judging them and then being able to hear the same without reacting defensively is much more effective than complaining to a third party, but it requires a level of trust and understanding that is usually not going to be present for anything but close family members or long time friends. Given that, I think there is value in talking through the issues with a neutral third party, but it can be hard to avoid falling into spiral of anger and resentment, which I think is why seeing a therapist or psychologist is such a common treatment. I don't think that being able to neutrally help someone deal with their feelings of anger or resentment is some kind of superpower or anything, but like any skill, there are some methods that are more effective and some that are less effective, so having some sort of training on the matter generally is helpful. Most importantly though, they still need to build that same level of trust and understanding with the patient, which I think is the most common reason that therapy isn't able to help some people; if you're not open to the idea of learning to trust and get helped in therapy, it's going to be hard to actually resolve anything.

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