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Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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Re: Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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The most impactful class I ever took as a programmer was Theater. Because of theater, I can confidently demonstrate a new feature in front of 150 people, and effectively lead retros and sprint demos. Communication is the most undervalued skill by other engineers, and getting good at it sets you apart far quicker than technical growth alone.

I see people who have good ideas but are contrarian and weird discovering why engineers are trained how to communicate effectively all the time.

I count myself relatively lucky that although I'm very autistic-y and not-normal by regular standards, I'm quite social and communicate for a nerd. I like writing, I like explaining things. Albeit in a self-serving way, I think.

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What really set Steve Jobs apart is that he never should have gotten to where he did. I don't mean he didn't deserve it or anything but based on that structures that exist to filter people who attain the positions that he did. By luck, or accident, or raw determination, he became a person in the drivers seat that no one would have chose to put there. He was so much not the person they would have chosen that they kick…

I think I disagree. I think Jobs personality was such that he would have either ended up founding a company (or perhaps ended up in prison for selling narcotics). I sense his manipulative personality (my words, for other's you can substitute "reality distortion field") was always there. I'm not disputing Wozniak of course, but I think Jobs growth was in learning how to channel that personality toward selling product.…

That's such a disgruntled take. Having a "smart friend" was merely a nice advantage.

Jobs' strength was in how he saw the world. His intuition, ability to imagine the future, inspire others and execute on that vision. Marketing and communications skills then almost felt like a by-product of such rare personality traits. I suggest reading "Jony Ive: The Genius Behind Apple's Greatest Products" or any interviews with Jony where he talks about the interactions they had with Steve.

The level of product and design thinking Steve and Jony had is so outside of some measurable 'data' that engineers often tend to underestimate its importance.

Re: Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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I really look up to both Steves. I met Woz once and he's such a humble guy in everything he talks about. I even studied Jobs because I really value his perspective of the world although many people believe he was an asshole (he probably was).

The beauty of Jobs in my eyes is his ability to take what was in front of him and refine it until his liking.

How do you do that? You become a world class communicator even if you can't describe what you want and you have to "see it to believe it". The reality is that you know what everyone wants because you are playing the role of "absurdity" against the "voice of reason".

I think to work on your communication skills, one of the best ways to do so is through comedy improv classes, ToastMasters, twitch streaming, making youtube videos, work presentations, and even theater. You have to be willing to put yourself in front of other people and fail time after time to then get good enough to be comfortable and confident whenever you do it.

Re: Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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You can see some evidence of it when he uses same analogies over the years e.g., Computer as a bicycle of mind. It's same with Jeff Bezoes; he has 4-6 go-to concepts (e.g., regret minimisation framework) that he repeats in almost every talk.

Anyway; that's just my observation. My take is no one's natural-born leader. Of course some traits such as good looks help but most of the foundational aspects that matter such as communication, critical decision making, recognising and seizing moments are skills just like any other and need to be practiced.

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Wozniak does everything to go down in history as a supposedly unrecognized genius. Every time he makes headlines it is the same story with a slightly different twist.

> a supposedly unrecognized genius

I think his floppy disk controller for the Apple II was pretty widely recognized as real stroke of genius.

>The Apple II disk controller, designed six months after the Apple II itself was complete, was Steve Wozniak's crowning achievement. His five chip disk controller card out-performed competitive controllers that were four times as expensive by shifting most of the responsibilities from hardware to software.

https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor...

Re: Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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What really set Steve Jobs apart is that he never should have gotten to where he did. I don't mean he didn't deserve it or anything but based on that structures that exist to filter people who attain the positions that he did. By luck, or accident, or raw determination, he became a person in the drivers seat that no one would have chose to put there. He was so much not the person they would have chosen that they kick…

Investors want strong personalities so they can create a self-fulfilling prophecy, that's most of what's behind it.

A person that is likeable by investors (someone with big, crazy ideas/promises, temper, charisma, good self-advertising skills), and that investors can internally justify handing money.

This is also how someone like Musk can exist.

Re: Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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What really set Steve Jobs apart is that he never should have gotten to where he did. I don't mean he didn't deserve it or anything but based on that structures that exist to filter people who attain the positions that he did. By luck, or accident, or raw determination, he became a person in the drivers seat that no one would have chose to put there. He was so much not the person they would have chosen that they kick…

Sadly, it's considerably easier to rise to power in any organization if you have sociopathic tendencies. Jobs had a significant lack of empathy among other traits, and that gave him a huge advantage.

The only reason he's lauded as a leader is that he made a lot of money... which is also easier to do if you have a lack of empathy and ethics.

Re: Steve Wozniak: Steve Jobs wasn’t a natural-born leader

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Some 15 years ago or so? I don't remember. I was working at Apple on the color and graphics team. I don't even to this day remember what the exact circumstance was, but for some reason me and another engineer were urgently called into a conference room just a week or so before some big Apple product reveal. I feel like it was when the "Aqua" UI was to be revealed — I feel like it was something about the seven label colors used in the Finder to label files.

Anyway, we went to a section of a building that I had never been to before and a conference room with no windows. When we were led in there were detailed notes all over the wraparound white boards — what features to be demoed, what order. All sorts of notes and annotations (and also sticky notes?) added to the items on the whiteboards. Something like a conspiracy theory nut's HQ, ha ha. There were machines lined up against a wall on long desks running the software to be demoed, people scurrying around (designers? marketing types?). (I believe that Phil Schiller was there — the only time I have been in a room with him.)

Jobs was not there when I was there, but this room/show was all about Job's keynote.

It amazed me the degree to which this was a major operation, not at all an after-thought (not that I think anyone would expect that of an Apple keynote presentation).

Yeah, we lowly engineers were brought in to look at a specific issue they were seeing with the OS in the demo. I don't think we were expected to fix it, maybe we offered a suggestion on how to work around it?

Related: I was told by my manager (so this could be bullshit) that Jobs never went off script. Never. Everything you saw on stage, every step of a demo, was exactly planned that way — was rehearsed precisely. A single "ad-lib" in a demo of course could have exposed a hitherto-not-seen bug that would be hugely embarrassing. But Jobs was very good at following a script he had helped create, make it look natural.

I had also heard (so this could also be bullshit) that a 2nd machine was set up behind the stage and someone was stepping through the demo at the same time Steve was. If something locked up Steve's machine, in an instant the displayed hardware could be switched to the 2nd demo machine with only a small skip of a beat. I am not aware that it was ever needed.

I guess my take away is that Steve Jobs worked very hard at being Steve Jobs. If he made it look easy then — it worked.

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