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I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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In our modern societies there are lots of cancer risk involved that (most) people can not see. For example using a microwave with microscopic cracks in the glass and staying nearby. All the diesel particles and exhaust car fumes and tire dust in the cities. The terrible air quality near maritime ports because of the bad quality ships do with ultra cheap fuels. The extermination of gut microbiota with the use of pesti…

That was a reasonably good summary. In general suspect anything that is foreign in nature( eg. plastics) to be harmful. The bar to deem them safe must be really high. Of course everything natural need not be safe either ( example green potatoes)

One important thing to add: Vegetables are not the super food that they are made out to be, and red meat isn't a carcinogen, It's the opposite. Good quality red meat is one of the superfoods and vegetables must be carefully chosen/cooked to negate their bad effect.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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First of all, I'm sorry to learn the author got cancer; I wish her all the best and continued strength. Many contributors have already made good suggestions how to reduce the risk of getting cancer, or how to deal with it; but I found most posts quite _technical_. Speaking in general terms, cancer is not a disease like a common cold. The human body sooner or later is bound to decay, which pretty much starts once one…

> Being on this planet for a limited time period makes it more important to make the right choices, because we have only one life.

The thought may be freeing to you, but many others become paralysed by it, obsessing about “the right choices” at every moment.

An alternate view: it is because we only have one limited life that our choices don’t matter. We and everyone our choices touch will die, and nothing will have mattered. Depending on your situation, that thought can fill you with dread or be profoundly calming.

> Make the best of every minute you have, and live it as if it were your last.

That is both impossible and (I’d argue) unhealthy. I wouldn’t waste my last minute cooking a meal, yet I need to spend an hour doing it now to survive another day. “The right choice” and living every moment as if it were the last seldom overlap.

The Simpsons had a great joke on the platitude: https://youtu.be/lkAaQQal2ck?t=20

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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First of all, I'm sorry to learn the author got cancer; I wish her all the best and continued strength. Many contributors have already made good suggestions how to reduce the risk of getting cancer, or how to deal with it; but I found most posts quite _technical_. Speaking in general terms, cancer is not a disease like a common cold. The human body sooner or later is bound to decay, which pretty much starts once one…

"eventually will wipe any individual out." Sure, eventually. It's one thing if people are getting cancer or having heart attacks later in life. It's a little concerning when a fairly large number of younger people are afflicted. The rate of cancer has risen about 30% for young people since the seventies. So it seems that there's something wrong in our environment or lifestyles that could be increasing risk. That's ve…

> The rate of cancer has risen about 30% for young people since the seventies. So it seems that there's something wrong in our environment or lifestyles that could be increasing risk. One would do well to read the research (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...) from which that widely quoted 30% figure comes. It does not suggest any simple conclusion as to what is causing the increase. Rather, it paints a very complex picture, with likely very different causes for increases in different cancers, and also documents significant decreases in certain cancers. Among the three categories of causes for increases listed, increased detection is prominent.

Note also that the study is a retrospective study, and comes with all the statistical cautions that are inherent in that methodology.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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I’m 45 and I’m just now half way through my last chemo treatment for colon cancer. I would not say I’m you for cancer but definitely on the younger end of the spectrum for this type of cancer. I probably wouldn’t have gotten the colonoscopy that found the cancer had I not been lucky enough for the cancer to cause an infection where gut bacteria passed through my colon and made me extremely sick. I treated that with antibiotics and got a colonoscopy.

Results were that it was stage 3 c as I had 4 lymph nodes affected. The first step was surgery and about 12”/30cm of my colon was removed right where it meets the small intestine. This was the most difficult surgery I have been through and happens during the delta surge last summer. That means I couldn’t have visitors for the week I was in recovery.

Next up was surgery for a port after 3 weeks of healing. That went in my right shoulder near my collar bone with an iv line to my jugular. Once that healed started the chemo…

I didn’t take to chemo very well at first and I had a severe reaction to one of the drugs and landed in the hospital again for a few days. They could not figure out what was really happening but I basically had severe chest pain and jaw pain. They suspected heart/cardio problems and did a cardiac cath which came back normal thankfully. The fix was to reduce the dose of that particular drug by half. As time wore on the other drug in the cocktail started causing neuropathy in my fingers, feet and teeth/gums. Picture your finger tips always asleep. That can last for up 2 years but in some cases is permanent.

Now that I’m on the other side of the diagnosis and treatment I still have the post treatment scan. Typically colon cancer makes its was up to the lungs and brain if left unchecked. I get that scan mid April. To me that is the scariest part. I think it would be a huge gut punch to find out that it spread even after surgery and chemo.

As for life post treatment there are adjustments I have had to make: While I used to like spicy food my colon has decided that spice is a laxative now and usually sends me to the restroom within 2 hours. I have to plan my coffee intake with meetings. I have some days when things seem normal and the others when I’m going to the rest room 4-6 times per day.

In my 30s I was in marathon shape until I severely broke my foot at 38. I have slowly gotten out of shape since. I think this was a bit of a lifestyle reminder for me so the plan is get back in shape and check my diet.

I have quit alcohol for treatment so I’m going on about 9 months with no drinking. I don’t know if I will continue abstaining or not. I am certain that had I not had that infection I wouldn’t have gotten a colonoscopy. I think that’s the takeaway for me. Get your colons checked folks. Age 40 is the new recommendation my doc has mentioned.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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"eventually will wipe any individual out." Sure, eventually. It's one thing if people are getting cancer or having heart attacks later in life. It's a little concerning when a fairly large number of younger people are afflicted. The rate of cancer has risen about 30% for young people since the seventies. So it seems that there's something wrong in our environment or lifestyles that could be increasing risk. That's ve…

A lot of health-related things took a turn for the worse in the 70s Obesity was 13% in 1970. Now it’s 42%. Obesity can increase cancer risk by 50% https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/focused-on-health/ho...

Yes, and what is contributing to obesity? Are there environmental factors affecting androgenic functions? Is it all just people being sedentary over eaters? Or something else?

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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This is one of the things where it matters more how healthy/unpolluted your environment is . I'd dare to say that a not-so-phisically-active moderate-smoker living in a less polluted environment has way lower cancer risk than a bio-vegan athlete buddhist monk living in a polluted industrial hellhole. I'd wish we lived in a world where we could actually address chemical, air-particulate +/- microplastics pollution ser…

I expected after COVID there would be much more focus on air control/monitoring. How nice would it be to have constant air measurements in neighbourhoods and inside houses. And not only CO particles, but a wide variety. Unfortunately I see hardly any focus on it anymore.

This would be nice, but I fear we can go too far down this road, particularly with children.

Hormesis is important for our health: exposure to periods of starvation to induce autophagy of senescent cells, exposure to allergens and less-than-lethal pathogens (at a young age) to train our immune systems [1,2], etc.

Obviously we want to minimize heavy metal, PFAS exposure, etc - but living in ultrapure environments risks throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

Absolutely in favor of better environmental monitoring, but we need to be very selective about the specific things we don't want.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

[2] https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/health/leukemia-clean-childho...

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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This is one of the things where it matters more how healthy/unpolluted your environment is . I'd dare to say that a not-so-phisically-active moderate-smoker living in a less polluted environment has way lower cancer risk than a bio-vegan athlete buddhist monk living in a polluted industrial hellhole. I'd wish we lived in a world where we could actually address chemical, air-particulate +/- microplastics pollution ser…

You got me curious about cancer rates by country: https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/global-cancer-data-by-cou...

They list 50 countries, and relevant to your post:

- Belgium #4 with 329.9/100K

- Italy #24 with 290.6/100K

Not a huge difference tbh. Regarding the comments about vitamin D, Sweden is lower than Italy. So I think the correct conclusion is: These things are complicated.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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I am sorry for your loss. But I am curious what "ate correctly" meant for him. Would you be kind enough to provide some details?

Sad to see you being downvoted like this, but I wanted to know the same thing you asked. It seems people are really sure that exercising a lot and not eating meat or whatever is the healthiest thing one can do, for weight and health reasons... But evidence says the complete opposite, most of the time. People are so fascinated about the idea that exercise and certain foods are so good, that they don't even bother to c…

People seem to hate it when you point things out like this. Had a guy in another thread become livid when I said I don't eat modern foods. You pretty much can't trust any nutritional study, and so as far as I'm concerned, eating like an antemodern hunter gatherer is as good as anything else.

I'm not sure what young athletes could do to be healthier; I imagine most of their issues are environmental. I personally err on the side of preindustrial when any question of lifestyle comes up, but who knows.

Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer

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I still think it's pollution. There are many other countries with low levels of D which are ranking much better than Belgium https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/global-cancer-data-by-cou...

The first country on that list is Australia. Does anyone here think Australia is more polluted than say India? And also all the top countries in that list are all part of the more developed world, where pollution levels in general are much less than say other parts of the world. While pollution might still be an issue it could also be that people living in developed countries have more access to healthcare and so the…

I think that Australia and NZ might be very high because of skin cancers and the infamous ozone hole. India can probably be extremely polluted in the cities but I wonder if it's the same in the country side.

And fair enough, african countries might have undetected cancers and have people die of other disease before getting old enough for cancers. But I was comparing Umbria to Belgian Flanders which are both 1st world countries.

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