The History of Sanctions

Post by golergka » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 1:49 PM UTC

sanxiyn wrote: post #29

Adrox wrote: post #28

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The goal on North Korea is not to invade South Korea or attack Japan. (And also to disable their ability to use nukes against USA). I would say goals were accomplished. We really don't know the state of nuclear missiles there and I could bet they are not in any very good shape...

That's ridiculous. North Korea is not crazy, there is no conceivable reason why North Korea would use nukes against USA unless regime is attacked. If that was the goal, there was no reason for sanctions whatsoever. Truly, "nukes against USA" is much more ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion.

Post by tpm » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 1:56 PM UTC

dspillett wrote: post #16

oblio wrote: post #9

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Tanks these days aren't raw steel, rubber and a few other things anymore. They're advanced alloys, a ton of electronics, etc. Russia can't make all of that at the same level as the rest of the world combined. Similar story for almost every advanced military product. And for civilian products. The Russian population is in for a world of hurt.

> Russia can't make all of that at the same level as the rest of the world combined. Right now they don't have to, they just need to replace things at the level as Ukraine with just a little help from others. That is much more manageable than “the rest of the world combined”. > The Russian population is in for a world of hurt. Which Putin will blame on the rest of the world. While many in Russia are well aware that s…

Post by tpm » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

reactspa wrote: post #35

ogogmad wrote: post #2

How can Russia replace all its lost equipment (tanks, supply trucks, helicopters, planes) when they've lost more than half of their economy in a week, and counting? Their GDP was on par with Spain (a country of far smaller size and natural wealth), but is fast approaching that of Portugal. I mean, look at the flight of skilled workers out of their country, and the ruble halving in value in the space of a month.

> ruble halving in value in the space of a month Could you please clarify if this has a meaning other than the mathematical meaning? The ruble was 0.013 USD on Feb 7, and is 0.010 on Mar 8. Per my math, it has lost 23% of its value, not 50%.

Post by sanxiyn » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

treeman79 wrote: post #36

sanxiyn wrote: post #33

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One thing Indian media does better than Western media is not to rebroadcast Zelensky indiscriminately. Let's face it: it's a propaganda. They should extract informational content, not quote verbatim. Just as you would do so for Russian media.

Your not wrong. I wish news would try and put things In proper context. That said. He’s a symbol of freedom and hope against oppression that many people need right now. Let the people have their hero for now.

Post by avgcorrection » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 2:58 PM UTC

clearwind wrote: post #13

KarlKemp wrote: post #3

So… sanctions shouldn’t be used because they are too powerful? And this is argued almost exclusively with pre-1940 history? The specifics of what results of sanctions the author finds to be excessive are limited to mentioning deaths from famine. Does anyone believe the EU and US are capable of and willing to degrade the Russian economy to the point of mass famine? I can discern exactly one testable hypothesis from th…

> Does anyone believe the EU and US are capable of and willing to degrade the Russian economy to the point of mass famine? I think North Korea has some comparability - the West provides aid in spite of an antagonistic ruler. But in similar vein the West would prefer both rulers to spend more time working for their citizens’ economic wellbeing than on militaristic projects.