I know plenty of people who smoked/drank alcohol frequently (not alcoholic), never exercised and ate a "bad diet" and lived to 70/80 and others who "lived a healthy lifestyle" who dropped dead/died I think genetics/randomness/accidents/homicide/genocide/suicide etc are 95% the cause of mortality. Drugs/booze/smoking/obesity are much smaller than people think.
I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
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Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#192As usual correlation don't imply causation. My uncle was a professional national level runner, he was the healtier person that I know: he ran several kilometers every day, ate correctly, no drinking, no smoking, sleep at least 8 hours/day, etc. He died from cardiovascular problems. This not means that a correct and healty lifestyle is not going to reduce the risk, but it's not the only factor.
The former captain of the Indian cricket team, Sourav Ganguly, recently suffered a heart attack while he was exercising. He was lucky that he was able to get prompt medical attention and recovered. But he was a fit professional athlete who was used to exercise from a young age and even he suffered from cardiac problems.
I had a heart attack last year whilst swimming and at only 39 despite swimming five times a week and having no obvious underlying issues. It feels profoundly unfair!
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#193> "All the money in the world can’t buy you perfect health, and it is crazy how many just ignore it. Small changes to diet and physical activity can go a long way in improving health."
This is so confusing for me, with the sense of helplessness, so she saying small change to diet or physical activity, and that she was healthiest person in world but still got sick, so what is the point than ?!
I mean you can do everything and still get sick, and some people drink, smoke eat junk food and never get sick, so what gives?
I mean more or less it looks like lottery with different probabilities, you can do all good and still pull unlucky card, or you do all bad and you still have health lucky card.
I guess, for me most depressing is how little we know about the cancer and things that causing it...
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#194In our modern societies there are lots of cancer risk involved that (most) people can not see. For example using a microwave with microscopic cracks in the glass and staying nearby. All the diesel particles and exhaust car fumes and tire dust in the cities. The terrible air quality near maritime ports because of the bad quality ships do with ultra cheap fuels. The extermination of gut microbiota with the use of pesti…
Microwaves are non-ionising radiation
While I personally have doubts about this microwave "cracked glass" concept being implicated in cancer--if anything I'd be more concerned about the effects of eating stuff that came out of the microwave for various reasons--we know that "non-ionizing radiation" is not the same thing as "can't cause cancer": it only means it can't directly damage DNA, but has been shown to be able to re-fold DNA or indirectly lead to oxidative stress via localized vibration and heat.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21716201/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2304485/
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#195In our modern societies there are lots of cancer risk involved that (most) people can not see. For example using a microwave with microscopic cracks in the glass and staying nearby. All the diesel particles and exhaust car fumes and tire dust in the cities. The terrible air quality near maritime ports because of the bad quality ships do with ultra cheap fuels. The extermination of gut microbiota with the use of pesti…
There is absolutely zero correlation between microwave radiation at 2.45GHz and cancer. The photon energy levels are multiple order of magnitude lower than the energy levels required to disrupt DNA links or any other chemical bond.
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#196> "All the money in the world can’t buy you perfect health, and it is crazy how many just ignore it. Small changes to diet and physical activity can go a long way in improving health." This is so confusing for me, with the sense of helplessness, so she saying small change to diet or physical activity, and that she was healthiest person in world but still got sick, so what is the point than ?! I mean you can do everyt…
I guess being healthy isn't just about disease but wellbeing. You could drink/smoke/eat fast-food/never exercise and live till your 90 but you might feel shit every morning.
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#197> "All the money in the world can’t buy you perfect health, and it is crazy how many just ignore it. Small changes to diet and physical activity can go a long way in improving health." This is so confusing for me, with the sense of helplessness, so she saying small change to diet or physical activity, and that she was healthiest person in world but still got sick, so what is the point than ?! I mean you can do everyt…
May be we have to look at this using the low of diminishing returns. At some point optimising your "healthy life-style" won't yield significant reduction in probability of getting sick. But on the other hand very unhealthy life-style will yield sickness with very high probability. I guess a good balance would be to allow yourself a "treat" from time to time, but generally avoid things which are well-known to cause health problems like smoking for example. Also remind yourself not to go over-board with the "healthy life-style".
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#198> "All the money in the world can’t buy you perfect health, and it is crazy how many just ignore it. Small changes to diet and physical activity can go a long way in improving health." This is so confusing for me, with the sense of helplessness, so she saying small change to diet or physical activity, and that she was healthiest person in world but still got sick, so what is the point than ?! I mean you can do everyt…
1. A healthy diet and activity cannot prevent illness entirely
2. She would possibly have handled the illness not as good, if she was eating junk and out of shape.
Short takeaway: we cannot influence everything about us, but we can influence activity and diet, and it does have a measurable impact on our health.
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's suspicious?
For anyone reading with children... My daughter has cancer in her eyes. The only symptom was a barely noticeable squint despite it being very late stage (and then suddenly, dilated pupil and a color change in her pupil). In theory, the other symptom would have been a white reflection in her pupil had we ever taken a flash photo.
So sorry man. Also, what the fuck is wrong with the world? Cancer in someones's daughter's eyes, really?
Re: I am the healthiest person I know, and I got cancer
#200> "All the money in the world can’t buy you perfect health, and it is crazy how many just ignore it. Small changes to diet and physical activity can go a long way in improving health." This is so confusing for me, with the sense of helplessness, so she saying small change to diet or physical activity, and that she was healthiest person in world but still got sick, so what is the point than ?! I mean you can do everyt…
It's always a lottery but one where you can massively tilt the odds on your favour by leading a healthy lifestyle.