A new speed milestone for Chrome • Hacker News Board

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by rektide » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 6:43 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #21

rektide wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apple's long defended their anti-choice stance under the pretense that they have the best, fastest, lowest resource usage browser. it's long been a tiring, self-aggrandizing, & dominionist perspective- of fantastically limited consideration given how constrained & limited the platform support Safari opts for. now that even that braggadocio is crumbling, i'm wondering what's left for Apple's pompous claims about rejec…

> i don't think it matters a lot for most users how fast the system is This is why we had months of people raving about M1, of course.

techies arent people. :p i kid... but there is a vocal group which doesn't necessarily reflect the common experience.

i joke. but also, i think where we're hearing these reports from are only semi-important. even with far far far far far superior hardware- 200/400GBps memory- a vast gain- plus other architectural wins- my temptation would still be to call this an incremental (but sizable) win, not revolutionary.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by eyelidlessness » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 6:44 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #23

eyelidlessness wrote: post #18

I’m glad perf is still a focus for the Chrome team. That said… > We know that benchmarks are just one of many ways of measuring the speed of a browser. This is very true, and with a few notable exceptions my experience is that Safari feels faster across the board even where it has consistently benched slower. This likely has less to do with runtime performance and more to do with process isolation models. I feel conf…

Can you explain why the process isolation model would matter here? It seems at best uncorrelated and my experience has been that aggressive process pooling improves , rather than degrades, system performance.

Chrome's pooling model seems to improve system performance as you say (and as I was trying to express), at high pressure. Safari’s model seems to optimize for low system pressure by favoring spawning more processes. Individually they perform better, but overall it degrades as process count increases.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by azinman2 » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 6:46 AM UTC

Be curious to try Chrome again, but for a long time it’s felt bloated and slow. Been very happy with Safari, and particularly love the 2FA integration.

My biggest gripe is the lack of shared bookmarks and passwords between browsers. There are 3rd party extensions and what not to do some of this (eg 1password), but nothing beats the UX of true browser integration. I wish there was a single standard with pluggable backends so I had no switching costs. Quite frankly I’m surprised Firefox doesn’t just use the Mac keychain and share bookmarks with Safari in order to gain market share.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 6:53 AM UTC

pictur wrote: post #30

greggman3 wrote: post #17

There are certainly lots of situations where one browser beats another For example in this microbenchmark, Chrome is 10x slower than both FF and Safari at one method. https://jsbenchit.org/?src=cfcb916dd03df45952183e6484a14344 Here's another where in one case Firefox is 54x faster than Chrome https://jsbenchit.org/?src=beb26575ad78caa99a2a8c45ce2b780f

the color palette on the site is really weird. it took me 5 minutes to see the browser names :D

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Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 7:03 AM UTC

Cool to hear that Chrome is faster than Safari, but that's not why I'm going to stick with Safari.

I use Safari because of Chrome's memory bloat, Safari's text message MFA auto-fill features, and Safari's cross-platform (iOS/macOS) password manager.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by codewiz » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 7:10 AM UTC

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #35

Cool to hear that Chrome is faster than Safari, but that's not why I'm going to stick with Safari. I use Safari because of Chrome's memory bloat, Safari's text message MFA auto-fill features, and Safari's cross-platform (iOS/macOS) password manager.

Not sure whether it is allowed to work on iOS, but Chrome also has cross-platform sync of passwords, tabs, history and other settings.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by msh » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 7:14 AM UTC

codewiz wrote: post #36

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #35

Cool to hear that Chrome is faster than Safari, but that's not why I'm going to stick with Safari. I use Safari because of Chrome's memory bloat, Safari's text message MFA auto-fill features, and Safari's cross-platform (iOS/macOS) password manager.

Not sure whether it is allowed to work on iOS, but Chrome also has cross-platform sync of passwords, tabs, history and other settings.

It does work on iOS. It can do system wide password management.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by BoardsOfCanada » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

underyx wrote: post #2

My Speedometer results on an M1 Mac are: - Chrome v99: 204 - Safari: 266 How come I fall so far short of the post's advertised fastest-of-any-browser 300? Edit: Running in incognito got me a 251, so some of the slowdown must be from extensions. Edit 2: Seems like 1password and uBlock Origin decrease the score by around 30 each, I got a 276 with both disabled.

Chrome starts with different options for different users to try out new features. They state which features they ran the benchmarks with in the fine print below the article:

"Data source for Mac statistics: Speedometer 2.0 comparing Chrome 99.0.4812.0 --enable-features=CanvasOopRasterization --use-cmd-decoder=passthrough "

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by fartcannon » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #35

Cool to hear that Chrome is faster than Safari, but that's not why I'm going to stick with Safari. I use Safari because of Chrome's memory bloat, Safari's text message MFA auto-fill features, and Safari's cross-platform (iOS/macOS) password manager.

Also Chrome is the worst, most pervasive spyware ever developed.

Re: A new speed milestone for Chrome

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Post by jart » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 7:32 AM UTC

greggman3 wrote: post #17

There are certainly lots of situations where one browser beats another For example in this microbenchmark, Chrome is 10x slower than both FF and Safari at one method. https://jsbenchit.org/?src=cfcb916dd03df45952183e6484a14344 Here's another where in one case Firefox is 54x faster than Chrome https://jsbenchit.org/?src=beb26575ad78caa99a2a8c45ce2b780f

Here's a conundrum. Fabrice Bellard's QuickJS engine takes 3 minutes to run the test262 ECMAScript conformance suite. d8 takes 37 minutes to run test262 according to https://medium.com/compilers/testing-the-v8-javascript-engin... and it crashes for me in Chrome https://v8.github.io/test262/website/default.html Has anyone else observed this performance disparity? Could it really be possible that a JavaScript engine written by one guy is 10x faster for everyday code than the flagship product of a flagship company? Because if that's the case it'd make Fabrice Bellard the Han Solo of programmers.