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Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by Apocryphon »

stevegore wrote: post #560
Apocryphon wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s rare to find people who truly prefer the open office layout over having a personal office, or a cubicle, or a shared cube with one’s team. That’s a unique opinion that you’re free to have. For many, the depredations of the open office is a driving reason towards remote, but you uniquely do not have that hang-up. Enjoy!

I’m not sure it’s that rare. It’s just that the remote working evangelists are just so damn vocal about it.

It’s not about remote vs. in office. It’s about open office vs. other types of office plans. The anti-open office threads on HN were something else. Perhaps with RTO, they will have a comeback.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by runnerup »

Qub3d wrote: post #550
AlotOfReading wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. My last onsite with apple concluded with a couple hours of grilling on how to write performant synchronization primitives on various real architectures. I was not interviewing for the relevant teams.

Yikes! I would sort of wonder if it was a test to see if you know scope. But for two hours? I know its Apple but I'd definitely be prepared to walk out. In that situation that gives you the freedom to clarify the job description -- if they say it is in the description, I'd save everyone time and say I don't have that knowledge, thank them for their time, and wish them luck on their next n months of searching for thei…

I have a chemical engineering degree from a "Division 2" university and part of a computer science degree from a fairly low-ranked research university.

Your strategy would be an epic failure for me. Granted, nearly any strategy would be.

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Post by speby »

It still amazes me that some of the biggest (and many might argue innovative, progressive) companies like Apple but also Google and others, still struggle with basic tenets of 'work' and its future. Remote work is here to stay (and is not new, by the way); that part of the debate is settled. What remote looks like, however, is going to be an amalgamation of opinions made between CEOs and executive leadership and their HR departments across many companies and the response people have to it thru retention, etc.

Having led, grow, and work on remote and hybrid-remote teams for 12+ years now, I almost feel like I just repeat myself all the time when I say the right answer is about flexibility and choice at the team and individual levels, not at a corporate mandate level. And also, maybe it goes without saying, focus on results and outcomes rather than arguing how the sauce has to be made. People will be creative in many settings and supporting them and helping them navigate how they work best (whether that is in an office part-time, full-time, or fully remote) is going to be winning solution. Not biblical commandments like "Thou shalt be in the office 3 days a week."

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by mangodrunk »

paulcole wrote: post #456
nano9 wrote: post #406

If remote really works and the market is fair, then this is a good opportunity to see evidence in its favor. Somehow, I don't think fully remote companies will find it easy, unless they have some secret formula for finding remote talent. Companies like GitLab (fully remote) continue to be outliers.

> If remote really works and the market is fair 2 MASSIVE “ifs” there. Remote wasn’t a choice for the vast majority of people over the past 2 years — it was thrust upon them. And despite what the pro-remote people will say, a huge number of them didn’t thrive because of it. They may have been more productive but they were also more miserable. Remote “worked” because it was the way companies stayed in business - it es…

People and companies have thrived on remote work. People are actually able to find a much better work life balance having worked remotely. Remote worked! Businesses thrived.

You might be miserable because of covid and living through a pandemic. Time is generally tough right now.

I would recommend to you and others to work on your social life outside of work. The pandemic showed that a lot of people don't actually have friends and their whole life is their work. If that's what you want, then fine.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by mangodrunk »

birdyrooster wrote: post #296

I really hope this date sticks. As a single person, along with many of my single colleagues, we don't get much social interaction and being stuck inside for the past two years has really hurt our mental health. I am all for heads of families working from home to be with their families, this is beautiful, but I can't do that.

Why not work on having a social life outside of work? The pandemic didn't make meeting new people easy.

Think if you worked remotely without covid restrictions, and with a healthy social life outside of work. Wouldn't that be good?

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by bitcuration »

This is Cook not supporting Russia sanction which pushed gas price higher and higher, by making victims of higher gas price and increasing pressure against Russia sanction from Apple employees.

Which begs the question, does Cook support Ukrainian and on the side of whole world, or is he on the side of invasion? Why is he not helping the sanction, but instead ordering more gas consumption?

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

sytelus wrote: post #284
windows2020 wrote: post #21

Maybe it's me, but I have yet to experience 'innovation' result from a conversation held over coffee or a chance encounter. I've had better luck creating connections with other parts of the business and exchanging ideas over the infrequent cocktail party where it's a mission of the night. Say all you want about open floorplans and irrelevant quiet encounters. Having said that, every situation is unique.

Your anecdata doesn’t back up large scale data: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01196-4 A lot depends on culture and process. Usually companies which had remote on day 1 do better because they get to fine tune and evolve the process over time.

Would be really nice to see if this has held up, given it only looks at the first few months of the pandemic. I know my company has gotten much better at remote work over the past couple of years.

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Post by nickm12 »

gsich wrote: post #492
crossroadsguy wrote: post #433

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> Many of the FAANG companies are terrible to work for. How’s F and G and N (Netflix right?)? Friend works at G India. Sings paeans . He moved there after 6 months at Uber (where I resigned in a week). I have always heard shitty things about AA though so I guess that kinda settles it.

Netflix for some unknown reason. That's why I like GMAFIA.

What is the I?

I like MAGMA which requires using Meta but not Alphabet.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by nickm12 »

nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

There are reasons to believe "this time is different". Omicron was a huge wave through the population that had the potential to consume all the "fuel" (non-immune people), making future waves much more difficult to get started. I don't think anyone thinks covid is going away, but moving to an endemic stage.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by birdyrooster »

mangodrunk wrote: post #565
birdyrooster wrote: post #296

I really hope this date sticks. As a single person, along with many of my single colleagues, we don't get much social interaction and being stuck inside for the past two years has really hurt our mental health. I am all for heads of families working from home to be with their families, this is beautiful, but I can't do that.

Why not work on having a social life outside of work? The pandemic didn't make meeting new people easy. Think if you worked remotely without covid restrictions, and with a healthy social life outside of work. Wouldn't that be good?

I have no idea what that is.
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