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Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#61

I am disgusted at all 3 political sides involved. Most disgusted with EU/US, followed by Ukrainian government and finally by the Russian Government. A war does not happen for no reason. Putin is a known to be a rational actor. Obviously ordinary people do not want war. So you have to ask yourself, what events led to the war? What was done to prevent it? What is done to stop it now? Why am I disgusted with US/EU? Firs…

I don't know what you're talking about.

1) NATO never attacked Russia. Russia is constantly testing war-responses ( flyovers/bypasses, internet cables, army ships, ...). That's also the reason why Sweden ( not NATO) has re-introduced military duty for adults.

2) Ukraine never attacked Russia. They defended their property when Russia invaded with gray zone terrorist. They did close off the water supply.

3) You are being diluted. In Crimea their was a huge amount of natural gas found and that is why Russia invaded. Guess what the first place was that they occupied...

In return, Ukraine cut off water supply to their occupied parts and the ground got dry. Current habitants of Crimea say it became a military state and are not happy about it, in contrary to the first years of occupation ( when the bridge between Russia and Crimea wasn't finished yet, Russians promised a lot about how it would improve. It didn't).

4) Zelensky being a puppet or stupid is pure Russian propaganda since Russia lost their governement because of Ukraine pro-democracy protests. Yes, he improved relations with the West, since there was a danger from Russia. This danger became reality now.

Russia never thaught that the family bounds would have been broken off this quickly.

Zelensky is everything Putin wants to be, a leader without the need of obvious propaganda.

While Putin is too scared of COVID ( not even a joke).

Tbh. Zelensky his actions are everything what one could ever want in a leader. I'm quite impressed how he is handing this horror.

5) You are not blaming Russia, you are trying to find an excuse to put it on NATO/ Ukraine.

Here are the facts, outside of the false whataboutism:

- NATO didn't invade Russia

- Ukraine didn't invade Russia

- Ukraine didn't suddenly create nuclear weapons because of NATO

- NATO didn't threaten with nukes

- Ukraine didn't threaten with nukes

- Ukraine is defending themselves from an invasion/war

But:

- Putin invaded Crimea - 'gray zone warfare'

- Putin invaded Ukraine - 'special military op'

- Belarus now has nuclear weapons because of Russia

- Russia and Belarus threaten with nukes

- Russia started the war

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The end result already has changed a lot of Russian narrative and had the opposite intended effect:

- Russian army is a joke, the advanced tech was mostly sold to get money and they barely have modern equipment for themselves. Quantity doesn't replace quality.

- the propaganda because they could move equipment because of trains, actually seems to be their biggest limitation.

- instead of reliable using their propaganda machine build over the decades, it has been cut off almost immediately

- everyone by now knows how scared Putin is of COVID, even while vaccines exist. They called dibs to soon. Putin his image of tough guy is scattered.

- they united Europe instead of dividing it

- more countries want to join NATO. Russia even did some flyovers with Finland, speeding up the process

- they trained Ukrainians instead of weakening them since 2014

- the cyber talent in Russia ( supposed to be up notch) had been hacked multiple times by anonymous. We should be grateful that they pentested our systems with limited side-effects for free. Their advanced malware was stopped thanks to Microsoft within 3 hours. I think that's a record.

- they are becoming totally dependent on China, instead of acting like a world player.

- they are hastening the process in Europe to become less dependent on gas. While Europe actually bought more from Russia in the past.

But yeah, we'll pay higher prices for gas, oil and weat. It will be an expensive operation/consequence.

But those that substained from voting against Russia will pay more too.

I can live with that. The will has never been greater.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#62

Software engineer from Moscow. This is an absolute disaster for us. I can't imagine how and when we recover from this. The damage already made to our country is going to be devastating, and it's not even over yet. I even envy Ukrainians a little because they have a future (if they survive all this of course), and we don't. Most people in my bubble, including myself, are strongly against the war. Many are fleeing the…

> I also think the collective West has gone mad too. The campaign to cancel, ban, boycott and belittle everything and everyone that has anything to do with Russia is out of control. People are not to blame for the actions their government. The talks like "let's hurt the regular people so they revolt against Putin" are just like that villain from Shrek: "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make".

Russian indifference is solely to blame. You care now that it hurts you, but the years of support to dictatorships abroad, from Cuba to Syria, the invasion of Georgia, Chechen. You didn't care about any of that.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Hello! Russian SW developer from Moscow is here. First, it's been a shock for all the society. No one would imagine in a worst dream that this attack would happen. Even when Putin made his speech about acceptance of LNR/DNR we were like "phew, another shitty fake politics, nothing really changes". But then the war started. And no one expected that! I think, even military or economic ministers didn't expect that. Peop…

Thank you for the courage of reaching out. I don't think educated people judge all russians the same way.

It is absolutely shameful what happened in Ukraine. I think there is a lot of suffering, especially for ukrainians, but also for russians who lost sons or friends in this war.

I don't think it will end soon. As you said, it will drag on and will need at least a generation for the wounds to heal.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 30 Pentagon-funded biowarfare labs in Ukraine. That just does not make any sense to me. Why should those labs be somewhere in Ukraine rather than in US?

Well, I think it actually does make sense. Don't keep highly-virulent samples on your soil. But, obviously, any propaganda is propaganda. We can't prove or disprove it without any facts. I am also highly unsure about the bit in the Western news outlets that Russians were tried to damage Zap Nuclear Plant two days ago. Our news outlets state that plant has been under control from Feb 28th (probably true). This inciden…

There was an active CCTV feed of the entire event. About 60,000 people were watching it at the peak. I personally saw RPGs fired, and hundreds of tracer bullets lighting up what apparently was an admin building like a Christmas tree at one point, and I wasn't paying very close attention to it because I was cooking dinner at the same time.

Granted, the reactors were a bit further away (and I think in a different direction) than the admin buildings. I do think the camera rotated to show one of the reactors on fire at one point, but from what I read it was a currently inactive one (although it had fuel in it) and firefighters were eventually allowed to put out the fires.

I don't think the goal was to blow up a reactor, it looked like the goal was to take over the plant to control a good chunk of the power in Ukraine, which makes strategic sense in a war, it's what I do in real-time-strategy games, is try to kill the power as soon as possible. But I'm also playing a video game and if the whole place blows up or melts down it's just pixels on a screen.

The amount of firepower I saw that close to nuclear reactors looked super dangerous and reckless and I think Russia got lucky that something worse didn't happen there.

Here's the part of the feed I'm referring to where they lit up a building, but all four hours of it are there (some of it nothing much was happening): https://youtu.be/fYUT36YGOh8?t=11467

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#65
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When i was in the Air Force, I interacted with alot of russians "On the other side" when wee were building FOBs in eastern europe afteer the invasion of crimea. At work, It was all about defeating the russians. After work, it was about out drinking the russians. We laughed, we joked but at the end of the day we knew our bossees thought eachother enemies. And at the end of the day we knew that we were activeely workin…

The ugly truth is that at the root of it all, violence is the foundation upon which society sits. Society is held together by the threat of violence. A pacifist gets to live their pacifist lives, because they are kept safe by those who would inflict violence upon those who would threaten society.

I’m afraid you’ve misconstrued pacifism for inaction and cowardice. They’re not the same.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how else do you justify invasion and war?

If you take away what someone else deserve you are immoral. Morality can be complex, but I would start there.

That's the opposite of reality though. Mark Twain has a good quote here:

"It is murder all along the line. Here are countless multitudes of creatures, and they all kill, kill, kill, they are all murderers. And they are not to blame, Divine One?” “He has one code of morals for himself, and quite another for his children."

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#67
post #57

When i was in the Air Force, I interacted with alot of russians "On the other side" when wee were building FOBs in eastern europe afteer the invasion of crimea. At work, It was all about defeating the russians. After work, it was about out drinking the russians. We laughed, we joked but at the end of the day we knew our bossees thought eachother enemies. And at the end of the day we knew that we were activeely workin…

The ugly truth is that at the root of it all, violence is the foundation upon which society sits. Society is held together by the threat of violence. A pacifist gets to live their pacifist lives, because they are kept safe by those who would inflict violence upon those who would threaten society.

In the book the soverign individual the author speaks at depth that a "Monopoly on violence" is actually what keeps society safe.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#68

Software engineer from Moscow. This is an absolute disaster for us. I can't imagine how and when we recover from this. The damage already made to our country is going to be devastating, and it's not even over yet. I even envy Ukrainians a little because they have a future (if they survive all this of course), and we don't. Most people in my bubble, including myself, are strongly against the war. Many are fleeing the…

> ...like that villain from Shrek: "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make".

Surely you see that in this analogy it is Putin who is the villain (Lord Farquaad)?

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#69

Software engineer from Moscow. This is an absolute disaster for us. I can't imagine how and when we recover from this. The damage already made to our country is going to be devastating, and it's not even over yet. I even envy Ukrainians a little because they have a future (if they survive all this of course), and we don't. Most people in my bubble, including myself, are strongly against the war. Many are fleeing the…

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Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take away what someone else deserve you are immoral. Morality can be complex, but I would start there.

That's the opposite of reality though. Mark Twain has a good quote here: "It is murder all along the line. Here are countless multitudes of creatures, and they all kill, kill, kill, they are all murderers. And they are not to blame, Divine One?” “He has one code of morals for himself, and quite another for his children."

Philosophy, like sciences, are broken down into domain functions.

You cannot simply take one statement and apply it ad-hoc if it suits you.

Twain was certainly not speaking to the larger sphere of existence. Is the earth murdering you and consuming you when you lay down to die of old age? We are all subject.

Twain was speaking in the voice of the dogmatic Christian Satan, who was questioning the Christian God’s righteousness and design.

It was metaphor to show the flaws in rooting your philosophy in something grounded so poorly. This (might makes right) philosophy that Twain was dressing down is the same Putin and Russia are using to press upon other nations.

I can understand what you’re trying to say, but you’ve got your reasoning all kinds of backwards.

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