Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989 • Hacker News Board

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by Izkata » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #181

Izkata wrote: post #85

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> despite there being no recorded cases - there's definitely shedding going on > This is not necessarily something that can be attributed to the vaccine. Some stats about polio that people seem unaware of: * Around 72% of infections are completely asymptomatic. * Around 25% of infections result in flu-like symptoms. * That remaining 3% is where the serious symptoms are, with paralysis occurring in only about 0.5% of…

And your point is? That Polio is just a non-serious disease?

Look at the two lines from the parent comment that I quoted.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by rlt » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 3:56 PM UTC

ikt wrote: post #157

rlt wrote: post #141

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I find it disheartening so many people are willing to gloat over fellow humans' deaths, regardless of the reason, some notion of "karma", "Darwinism", etc. (I am triple vaccinated, for the record)

what would you expect? sympathy for people who should know better?

No, simply abstain from celebrating death.

Sympathy for their families. Acknowledgment you don’t know all the circumstances in their life, and we all have varying levels of susceptibility to disinformation.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by manholio » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 5:18 PM UTC

manholio wrote: post #133

tootie wrote: post #18

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Does polio not have animal reservoirs?

recently it has found a way to spread to dogs, in Chad I believe.

Sorry, misremembered it, it was the Guineea worm.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by Retric » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

ciphol wrote: post #175

zapataband1 wrote: post #71

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In Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" he talks about how Europe regressed and became incredibly religious. A lot of secular medicine was lost, and the Queen, the richest person in the last, was pregnant 18 times, 15 dies in childbirth and 3 did not live to be adults. Science has solved these problems not CEOs, or wealth and those are the things we worship in the US

I assume by "religious" you mean Christian. Before Europe became Christian, it wasn't secular, it followed a wide variety of other religions just as devoutly.

Religions don’t cause a uniform level of devotion. It’s easy to fall into the assumption that most religions are similar but that’s because the west is really used to a single family of religions.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by astura » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 5:52 PM UTC

cudgy wrote: post #84

ciconia wrote: post #66

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> We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. To me it's rather our blind reliance on technology that is the problem. People have become dependent on pills and drugs (and vaccines) of all sorts, treating the symptoms rather than the cause more often than not. Chronic diseases are arguably more prevalent now than at other point in time: obesity, diabe…

Imagine the impact on the GDP of the US if obesity was largely eliminated and diet and exercise incentives were included as part of health plans (eg free membership to fitness clubs and access to certified personal trainers with a 20$ copay). That’s a big reason why it hasn’t happened; instead the focus is on doctors and hospitals treating acute issues instead of preventing them.

Personal trainers don't cost much more than the equivalent of a $20 copay a session - when I had one it was $250/month (that's equal to $58/week) and I think I got three sessions a week. That's slightly less than $20 a session.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 6:01 PM UTC

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #44

zamalek wrote: post #40

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This isn't only a matter of antivaxers. If you're in a country in which Polio has been eradicated, such as the US, double check that you're vaccinated. Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. I know that Africans receive the TB vaccine as part of our regular schedule, where many developed countries do not.

>Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. Such as?

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by godmode2019 » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 6:36 PM UTC

not1ofU wrote: post #187

godmode2019 wrote: post #139

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Thank you very much for the information. I have a running troll with friends who are unvaccinated, it goes like this. """ The elites know the second coming of Jesus is near, the idea they had is to kill Jesus before he is born. Jesus can only be born from his last remaining bloodline, somewhere in the world are the last descendants of Jesus. They need to find his parents and serialise them. To do this they created a…

If this is how you treat your friends, then you dont deserve to have any. If one of those people ends up killing themselves, then you should understand that you may have had a hand in that.

Why would someone who thinks they might have holy blood end their life.

If anything my story gives them conviction, the only person who would be upset is a religious vaccinated person, better repent now dear reader.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by not1ofU » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 7:51 PM UTC

godmode2019 wrote: post #207

not1ofU wrote: post #187

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If this is how you treat your friends, then you dont deserve to have any. If one of those people ends up killing themselves, then you should understand that you may have had a hand in that.

Why would someone who thinks they might have holy blood end their life. If anything my story gives them conviction, the only person who would be upset is a religious vaccinated person, better repent now dear reader.

Whatever makes you feel better. The main point is, no-one threats their friends like this. Your original comment didn't state that your friends believed that they had holy blood, but if they did, do you think its a good idea to have fun with their beliefs for your own amusement (and some stangers on the internet for imaginary internet points)? If world war 3 breaks out, you're probably gonna need some friends.

If these lies that you tell to your friends prevents them from getting vaccinated, then what?

I have a feeling and also some hope, that your story is just that, a long winded BS story to make yourself sound intelligent, because otherwise, you are just a sociopath.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ComradePhil » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 7:53 PM UTC

GauntletWizard wrote: post #128

pawelmurias wrote: post #116

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Superstition and idiocy being more important than the common good is a slippery slope... what if someone decides that putting out fires is against the will of their God?

That's a pretty quickly self-limiting population. As is the Antivax community, though the flareups of forgotten diseases will continue for a few more cycles before this group dies out naturally - So long as we don't fan the flames by actually persecuting them. More than a few will die of disease, most will learn better from seeing the results of their actions.

A significant portion of that population will develop natural immunity (mostly by natural selection) and will be the one to survive when at some point centralized supply chain is exausted out of resources and all the viruses that they had vaccines for come back with a bang.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by klyrs » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 8:24 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #123

klyrs wrote: post #113

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Between the two extremes of not getting vaccinated and self-isolating forever on the off chance you might have a virus is something called reasonable precaution . Getting vaccinated for something like Polio is just such a thing.

Who gets to draw that line? If one has the choice to self-isolate, and they are motivated by social obligation, then they should do so even if they are vaccinated because the morality of the issue doesn't scale with the severity of the virus. To knowingly risk giving others a disease for the sake of frivolity, even when the chances are relatively low, would nevertheless be an immoral act. This is of course something…

Well, the thing about reasonable precautions is that there's a fairly bright-line test: reasoned arguments behind those precautions. As for who should draw that line, I'd say that subject experts should have a very loud voice in the conversation. In this case, that would mean epidemiologists.

It's fine for vaccines to be a personal choice, but if epidemiologists think that an unvaccinated person is an undue risk to the general public, it's reasonable to limit that person's access to the public.

> Vaccines should be a personal choice because presumably they are effective enough that the argument for one's responsibility towards other people's health is greatly diminished to a point where we can decide what's a reasonable compromise.

Emphasis mine. Your presumption does not hold for all vaccines. Different vaccines and different strains of viruses have varying degrees of effectiveness. Epidemiologists take a data-driven approach to that decision where you're just making an assumption. Reasoned arguments must be backed by data, not just assumptions.