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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by vmind »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #24
simion314 wrote: post #18

Quick question, most countries have laws on how media should work, like what can you put on public TV at what hours, how to mark certain content, rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective and punishments if you don't follow the rules, like removing your TV license. Did we allow this new media to just ignore our laws and publish one sided fabricated news? Maybe is finally the time to block stuff that…

> rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional.

The UK at least has legislation which applies during elections and referendums (https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-co...).

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by herdcall »

phatfish wrote: post #16
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side.

E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees (https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe...). If you're only listening to the Ukraine friendly media, you'll miss that (IMO important fact).

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by logicchains »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #11
gadders wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the accusation would be that it is party-owned.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened.

Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by Raed667 »

coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

I don't see how exposing a vulnerable audience to distilled pure propaganda is actually a good thing.

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Post by darthrupert »

coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Not good. Reporting should be held to some standard. At minimum, knowingly lying about important topics while claiming to be a serious news organization needs to be a serious crime.

For instance, RT claims to be a news source, but knowingly lies about atrocities committed by the Russian government.

Most people don't have the resources (time, knowledge, smarts) to see what is not true by themselves.

Alternative viewpoints need to be shown for actually controversial topics, of course.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by jafoi »

0xcoffee wrote: post #30
kyrra wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silencing ideas that you do not agree with does not lead to an open society. Because guess what, the less popular ideas ends up being the right one sometimes. (In this case I agree that RT is likely propaganda, but knowing an argument you disagree with makes it easier to argue against people that make it.)

In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-fals... >“The SBU and the militants of the Azov Battalion are planning to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on the experimental nuclear facility,” This isn't a discussion in which people are ar…

It's a quoted statement...

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by loudmax »

simion314 wrote: post #18

Quick question, most countries have laws on how media should work, like what can you put on public TV at what hours, how to mark certain content, rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective and punishments if you don't follow the rules, like removing your TV license. Did we allow this new media to just ignore our laws and publish one sided fabricated news? Maybe is finally the time to block stuff that…

> most countries have laws on how media should work

Much of how the internet works reflects its origin in the United States where freedom of speech is a paramount value. In America, the notion is that it's better to combat lies with the truth than with repression.

In the era of Fake News and The Big Lie, this value is being stretched thin. It may be that we'll need rules to restrict the spreading of untruths, perhaps a labeling system as you suggest. Even so, I think it will be very hard, if not impossible, to craft laws of that sort without building an edifice for repression.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by fer »

newsclues wrote: post #22
phatfish wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

It’s not worthless if you contrast it to the propaganda from CNN.

It's worthless since everything on RT is "Russia is always right, the rest are always wrong, and also they're Nazis/fascists/imperialists, and America/NATO did it too btw".

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by logicchains »

0xcoffee wrote: post #30
kyrra wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silencing ideas that you do not agree with does not lead to an open society. Because guess what, the less popular ideas ends up being the right one sometimes. (In this case I agree that RT is likely propaganda, but knowing an argument you disagree with makes it easier to argue against people that make it.)

In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-fals... >“The SBU and the militants of the Azov Battalion are planning to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on the experimental nuclear facility,” This isn't a discussion in which people are ar…

Given that some of the Azov are literally Nazis (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-s...), that's hardly completely beyond the realms of possibility. Or we're supposed to start giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt now just because Russia started it?

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by iforgetti »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #19
kyrra wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silencing ideas that you do not agree with does not lead to an open society. Because guess what, the less popular ideas ends up being the right one sometimes. (In this case I agree that RT is likely propaganda, but knowing an argument you disagree with makes it easier to argue against people that make it.)

Every media is propaganda. RT is directly financed by the Kremlin just like CNN is at the behest of the current American administration. It's absurd to think any of these channels will not try to manipulate their audience. What is certain on the other hand is that it is Russia which invaded Ukraine, a free country, at first place. What is also certain is that any news organization in Russia that doesn't follow the Kr…

While I agree with the sentiment of your comment, I do not agree that a government financed news station is in fact "just like" CNN providing favorable coverage to the current administration presumably in exchange for access or similar.

In the case of CNN, we see the collective bias of those who run the company optimizing coverage for engagement based on their assessment of the bias of those watching. In the case of RT, we literally know that guests or anchors who do not work to legitimize propaganda are at risk of physical retribution.

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