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My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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Post by sparrc »

LiquidPolymer wrote: post #111

I’m curious what the generational divide is for this. I’m 57, love tech and enjoy the positive side of the internet in limited doses. But I find most social media boring. There is incredible and AMAZING art, accidental moments, serious discussion and fascinating analysis of the world to be found online. But without grounding myself in genuine experience in the stinky, cruel real world of human interaction, nature, an…

I'm 33 (so a millenial) and feel the same way. I find infinite scroll in social media pretty boring after less than a minute.

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Post by smhg »

omitmyname wrote: post #265
winternett wrote: post #188

I still mostly use the web browser on my mobile phone. Many apps are just too damn invasive now as well, they cross the line way too far for metrics they don't even really pay attention to; this is why I only install apps that don't use dark patterns and I've deleted many that go that route. I also schedule my important daily tasks on my calendar with silent (vibration alerts) so that I know when things need to get d…

Is there any list of dark patterns?

There has been some effort around this in the past if I remember correctly. A quick search leads to this list [0].

[0] https://www.darkpatterns.org/types-of-dark-pattern

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Post by beagle3 »

fmakunbound wrote: post #267

I’m using a shock bracelet when accessing time wasters like Reddit and HN during “thinking. hours.” I can access them anytime but it comes with pain.

> I’m using a shock bracelet when accessing time w

Serious? If so, did you build it yourself, or is it a commercial thing?

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Post by k8sToGo »

onion2k wrote: post #261
k8sToGo wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, drinking alcohol every day is too much if you count your alcohol units. Second, first you start with a drink every week, then every day, then every hour,... that is how you develop your addiction. Third, what you suggest is moderation drinking. People who are addicted to alcohol argue that it does not work and complete abstinence is the way to go.

first you start with a drink every week, then every day, then every hour,... Unless you don't. I've had a glass of wine with dinner several nights a week for the past 20 years, and I haven't progressed to drinking during the day. People use alcohol as a form of self-medication when they have other problems. If you don't have the other problems then limited regular alcohol consumption is probably fine (I'm not a docto…

I agree with you. I do not have that problem either. But it is well known that some people are more prone to addiction than others. So general arguments like "one or two beers every day" is fine, are a bit dangerous.

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Post by duncanc4 »

m8s wrote: post #227

I just want to give a quick shout out to the Apollo Reddit reader on iOS for two specific features: 1. You can disable infinite scroll. When I’ve been scrolling Reddit for 20 or so posts, it’s a sobering reminder that I’ve gained nothing of value on Page 1, and Page 2 likely won’t be any better. 2. You can disable r/all. If it’s there, odds are I will look at it. Without it, I don’t feel tempted to wander outside of…

Long time Apollo user, I had no idea you could disable the infinite scroll. Thanks for mentioning it!

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Post by stevage »

Calavar wrote: post #198
snek_case wrote: post #170

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The concept of physical vs psychological dependence is kind of outdated, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaiP31qWf0 I don't see anything wrong with talking about a video game or social media addiction. Of course it's nowhere near the same level of danger as a heroin addiction, but if it's counter-productive and there's the same kinds of behaviors involved, it can be a useful model. Just the same, you can be add…

> The concept of physical vs psychological dependence is kind of outdated, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaiP31qWf0 You are conflating two terms here. Addiction (which is what the video is talking about here) is a set of behavioral patterns. I agree that the line between psychological and physiological in addiction is blurry. But addiction is not the same as dependence, which is about tolerance and withdrawal…

What about the way that people who scroll a lot lose their attention span, can't sit still without stimulation etc? Maybe dependence isn't exactly the same thing, but there is some kind of physical change happening in the brain, no?

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Post by froh »

trutannus wrote: post #185
yupper32 wrote: post #120

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> But without grounding myself in genuine experience in the stinky, cruel real world of human interaction, nature, and emotions it’s hollow. The ability for younger people to actually experience life is fading. Having to work multiple jobs to keep a roof over your head, massive inflation, burnout from everything, covid spikes recently, etc, etc, etc, etc. Instagram/other social media is free and doesn't require any c…

>Having to work multiple jobs to keep a roof over your head, massive inflation, burnout from everything, covid spikes recently So the consequences of inept, corrupt, and broken governmental systems basically.

An economic system with no reasonable checks and balances? Is that what you mean by broken governmental system? Any suggestions how to unbreak it?

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Post by manholio »

wmitty wrote: post #145
sodality2 wrote: post #24

I'm still young so maybe my mind hasn't matured enough to where I can combat this well. So I went heavy-handed - I have a button on my desk that when I press it, my server's DNS server (through which all my devices and router resolve) begins rejecting requests to reddit, instagram, twitter, hackernews, news.google.com, etc. For the next two hours, there is nothing I can do outside of SSH'ing through my mobile device…

My (crude) version of the same thing requires that I go 1000 meters from my house to press the button to enable the DNS for another 30 min of browsing (button is on a custom phone app, distance measured using phone GPS). One feature that I want to implement is to have the system randomly enable for 10 minutes - and to signal this by changing the color of light from a desk lamp (Phillips Hue). The idea is that when th…

People who still build magical red buttons and DNS blockers aren't that far gone, they can still build stuff. Most of us are completely paralized on our couches, drooling at the telescreen while a steady dose of soma is administered. Writing a comment is a chore and building a custom app is a distant dream project. We have plenty of daydreams, but are no longer capable of executing them.

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Post by Mordisquitos »

k8sToGo wrote: post #253
onion2k wrote: post #242

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I will never understand how people moralize behaviours rather than outcomes. Drinking every night is fine if you don't do it to excess. A beer or two, or a glass of wine with dinner, or a nightcap, doesn't hurt anyone. Drinking every night to the level where you're damaging your health is a problem. Having a few beers a couple of times a month is great. Binge drinking a couple of times a month to the point where you…

First of all, drinking alcohol every day is too much if you count your alcohol units. Second, first you start with a drink every week, then every day, then every hour,... that is how you develop your addiction. Third, what you suggest is moderation drinking. People who are addicted to alcohol argue that it does not work and complete abstinence is the way to go.

> Third, what you suggest is moderation drinking. People who are addicted to alcohol argue that it does not work and complete abstinence is the way to go.

And people who are not addicted to alcohol argue that this approach does work for us with no effort, and that blanket advocacy for complete abstinence is moralising based on behaviours rather than outcomes.

Some people have an innate risk of alcohol addiction and should absolutely practice complete abstinence. Some people are at a risk of alcohol addiction due to their personal circumstances and the culture they live in and, while abstinence is not the only solution, it's probably the only feasible one. Some people have a tendency overdrink on occasion due to their personalities and social lifestyles, but they do not need complete abstinence to keep this under control and can do with intentional moderation. Some people enjoy social drinking and even getting a bit tipsy sometimes, but outright drunkenness feels so terrible for us that we are at no risk of alcohol addiction and see no point in practising complete abstinence ourselves.

Everybody is different.

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