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My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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I will never understand how people moralize behaviours rather than outcomes. Drinking every night is fine if you don't do it to excess. A beer or two, or a glass of wine with dinner, or a nightcap, doesn't hurt anyone. Drinking every night to the level where you're damaging your health is a problem. Having a few beers a couple of times a month is great. Binge drinking a couple of times a month to the point where you…

First of all, drinking alcohol every day is too much if you count your alcohol units. Second, first you start with a drink every week, then every day, then every hour,... that is how you develop your addiction. Third, what you suggest is moderation drinking. People who are addicted to alcohol argue that it does not work and complete abstinence is the way to go.

first you start with a drink every week, then every day, then every hour,...

Unless you don't. I've had a glass of wine with dinner several nights a week for the past 20 years, and I haven't progressed to drinking during the day.

People use alcohol as a form of self-medication when they have other problems. If you don't have the other problems then limited regular alcohol consumption is probably fine (I'm not a doctor so I can't say it actually is.)

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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My (crude) version of the same thing requires that I go 1000 meters from my house to press the button to enable the DNS for another 30 min of browsing (button is on a custom phone app, distance measured using phone GPS). One feature that I want to implement is to have the system randomly enable for 10 minutes - and to signal this by changing the color of light from a desk lamp (Phillips Hue). The idea is that when th…

Before I read "custom phone app", I was imagining a mysterious physical red button somewhere up a telephone pole you had to climb, which through some abuse-of-job-privileges-or-connections you had wired directly into the telephony wires leading into your house. Or perhaps a comically large high-voltage pull switch labelled "reddit" which sparks a bit for no reason. Maybe a series of such pull switches, one for every…

Just coming here down to note that despite, or because the lizard part, our brains are wonderful creation machines. All the comments up to this parent, including the mysterious physical red button, are great.

On my part, I think the trick is being selective with the addictions we indulge in. Exercise, reading, having sex, cooking, going on walks, writing, 3D modelling. A good mix of addictions is great in life!

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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I'm still young so maybe my mind hasn't matured enough to where I can combat this well. So I went heavy-handed - I have a button on my desk that when I press it, my server's DNS server (through which all my devices and router resolve) begins rejecting requests to reddit, instagram, twitter, hackernews, news.google.com, etc. For the next two hours, there is nothing I can do outside of SSH'ing through my mobile device…

Does this works for you ? (Blocking) I’ve tried it and even closed all my social media accounts. It sort of worked. For social medias… But it changed nothing, I found other addictions on the internet. It’s just … the smartphone. I blocked a little portion of the infinity that is the internet, but my lizard brain is smart enough to know that infinite content is still there, more easily accessible than letting my mind…

Read Atomic Habits.

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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I still mostly use the web browser on my mobile phone. Many apps are just too damn invasive now as well, they cross the line way too far for metrics they don't even really pay attention to; this is why I only install apps that don't use dark patterns and I've deleted many that go that route. I also schedule my important daily tasks on my calendar with silent (vibration alerts) so that I know when things need to get d…

Is there any list of dark patterns?

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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There are people who can resist this naturally. It’s like people who won’t eat the sugary stuff without having to put any effort. My theory is that this habit relates to available mental energy. When you are in low energy state, you can’t read dense article or do intellectually taxing work and you gravitate towards infinite scroll because it’s the best reward you can get for your available energy. People with high energy seem to be automatically resistant at infinite scroll because reward from other taxing activities is much higher, although delayed. If this view is correct then perhaps the solution is to engage in forced mental excercise just like body excercise to increase strength and endurance at more taxing activities.

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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I'm still young so maybe my mind hasn't matured enough to where I can combat this well. So I went heavy-handed - I have a button on my desk that when I press it, my server's DNS server (through which all my devices and router resolve) begins rejecting requests to reddit, instagram, twitter, hackernews, news.google.com, etc. For the next two hours, there is nothing I can do outside of SSH'ing through my mobile device…

My /etc/hosts file on the machine I work on all day blocks 68k hosts 24/7. No social media sites at all except Twitter. No ads. Meanwhile, the Leechblock browser add-on stops me from using the few things I do otherwise (bits of Reddit, HN) allow between 09:00 and 17:00 which is not perfect but it's a start. Except ... I disable it a lot :(

What's the performance impact of such a large hosts file ?

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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I tend to call this idling and it has been something that has been known to consume hours and hours of the day, to an extreme example where it just goes ahead and consume the day.

At first I tried many methods to fight, including and alarm set when I start idling, or having a dedicated time to idle usually 15mins.

But then I noticed that I just kind of slip into idling so the next idea was to keep a sort of a log that I fil up before i tend to do something or a series of actions and the approx time it took.

This had worked much better than the previos ideas so I kept at it trying to form a habit out of it in the same light of whats is my next action step from GTD.

But it would still occur from time to time and sometimes it would be an outbreak of idleness.

So instead of trying to fix it I start to do two things, one is to try and be as conscious as I can while idling and the other is to just observr my self and my patterns of idling to try and see the why I wanted to do it over something like play a video game or you know, have some fun.

What I found out ( and this is still a work in progres) is that my idlenes is a mix of an eacape, being overwhelmed, a habit comforting reflex, dopamine fix need and being tired.

It is rarely one reason for it so I understood that I am unable to fix it just by doing one thing.

So I started to adress the problems one by one depending on the current strongerst reason for. If tired go nap for 9m30s, if overwhelmed clean up gtd and add new stuff to inbox etc.

I still idle but it is not as long as it was. Also not having the apps helps allot. Strangely enough this place is not what I use for idle, but that is because I've been treating it differently from the get go, as most of the time each topic here that interests me is packed with information and has a buch of really high quality comments so much so that I usuallly just add a topic in my gtd for further processing.

One observation for idling is that you should not combine idling with something you enjoy as idling is a habit loop and everything you add to it feeds it, now this can be used for good as well but idling while you drink coffe or are having fun will chain that strongly.

If you are able to be counscious enough to catch yourself as you begin to idle that is the most difficult but most useful step as for me most of the time idling is an semi-conscious act.

Guided meditation helps here, also having coinscious triggers either formed ( everytime you sit a moment of consciousness) or randomly activated ( set a random gentle alarm trough out the day) the more you have those the bigger the chance that it will trigger when you start to idle.

Also as said before, observe your idle patterns, your body position when you start doing it, your place in the room or wherever while it is hard to build consciousness triggers on idling itself you may be able to build it around the movement or positional patterns that you take when idling.

The reason I am motivated to write this is that I noticed just how much of the time that I will never going to get back is taken by it with no visible when done in the quantity that I have been doing it.

There is obviously some benefit though, but same can be said for many other addicting substances.

Also calling it idling is kind of not fair because true idling ( just doing nothing) is actually very useful as it help you rest and kind of process things and resting or true idling before I go to bed has improved my sleep quality.

And that is all on that from me, maybe it might be useful to someone.

Re: My lizard brain is no match for infinite scroll

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I’m curious what the generational divide is for this. I’m 57, love tech and enjoy the positive side of the internet in limited doses. But I find most social media boring. There is incredible and AMAZING art, accidental moments, serious discussion and fascinating analysis of the world to be found online. But without grounding myself in genuine experience in the stinky, cruel real world of human interaction, nature, an…

I think it's a fallacy to presume this is generational. Thirty years ago, the previous generation of grumpy old farts had basically the same class of remarks to make about us, and our preferences, since a great many of one's peers were practically glued to that TV screen. Social media is designed to weaponise our dopamine/reward pathways; if you're a holdout against that, fine, but so are a ton of twentysomethings. M…

That’s odd, because your own reply explains why this is different (the weaponisation / manipulation). The technology is qualitatively different or “generational.” Growing up with it has given this generation a different experience and different behaviours.
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