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Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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That worked well for North Korea.

Russia and NK are not comparable economies. NK has an estimated GDP of 27 billion and a population of 27 million, Russia has a GDP of 1.5 trillon and a population of 145 million (per capita GDP for Russia is an order of magnitude higher than that of NK and very similar to that of China). Russia is perfectly placed to be able to pull that off while NK is not.

>Russia and NK are not comparable economies.

Just wait.

While you wait, compare the economies of North and South Korea.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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According to HN commenters, opposing Russia in any way is wrong because censorship, slippery slope, dissidents, etc. take your pick of why their horse is higher than yours.

Small horse syndrome? You sound unreasonably angry at HN commenters who have simply put their critical thinking hats to use

I think the poster is at a reasonable level of angry. What makes you feel otherwise?

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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read Putin speech declaring the war. The people are killed because they of different ethnicity and refuse to play Russians as Putin tries to force them. From his point of view there 2 types of people in Ukraine - Russians and "nazi and benderovcy" with the latter needing to be killed. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-tran... and that is summary which says it better than i'd say: https://www.vox…

You have a throwaway account solely created to try to make us, Westerners, believe that the War by Russia is as evil as Hitler's War because it has the same root motivation: ethnic hatred with a genocidal goal. You may be motivated by your rage against Russia starting this terrible war, or it may be simple counter-propaganda, i.e. Ukrainians lowering themselves to the level they believe the enemy to be for the purpos…

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Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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Wouldn't shutting down western tech companies in Russia lead to Russians being limited to just state propaganda?

It is considerably worse because many people actually do not realize the extent of the censorship there, and the end result is that they are only fed falsehoods through the media.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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That worked well for North Korea.

Russia and NK are not comparable economies. NK has an estimated GDP of 27 billion and a population of 27 million, Russia has a GDP of 1.5 trillon and a population of 145 million (per capita GDP for Russia is an order of magnitude higher than that of NK and very similar to that of China). Russia is perfectly placed to be able to pull that off while NK is not.

> Russia and NK are not comparable economies.

Pretty soon they will be

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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Imagine USA being bycotted by all companies for attacking Afghanistan or Iraq. This would unite the US citizens no matter what thier president did. Everyone, think twice before imposing crippling sanctions on a country with nukes.

> Everyone, think twice before imposing crippling sanctions on a country with nukes.

Just imagined. Imagine all the people... And what do nukes have to do with this exactly?

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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By your own claims, and the definition of genocide.

> the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. How does this not describe what’s happening? Could you not be obtuse, please, and either argue your point in more depth or say you’re wrong?

Disclaimer: I am Russian, so you could count all of this as a russian propaganda.

We don't want to kill a large number of people at all. In the first days of war, our army even had an order to somehow skip the fights with regular army and fight only so-called "volunteer batallions" - these are real, patented, nazis (google "azov battalion nazis" and you could find a lot of interesting photos). Of course, they failed and right now it is a bloody mess. But look at the videos captured cities - our troops didn't event drop the ukrainian flag and there are demonstrations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JIaJTSWoqQ

Do you really think that this city looks like the city after the genocide? Come on.

What we really want is no NATO bases everywhere near our border and now looks like the only way (idk, maybe there were others, but Putin decided so) to do it is to destroy ukrainian state completely (the state, not the people).

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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By your own claims, and the definition of genocide.

> the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. How does this not describe what’s happening? Could you not be obtuse, please, and either argue your point in more depth or say you’re wrong?

So you think, what, any forcible annexation of a country is genocide because it has fighting? That’s not the definition. They aren’t exterminating Ukrainians, defined ethnically or nationally.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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Russia and NK are not comparable economies. NK has an estimated GDP of 27 billion and a population of 27 million, Russia has a GDP of 1.5 trillon and a population of 145 million (per capita GDP for Russia is an order of magnitude higher than that of NK and very similar to that of China). Russia is perfectly placed to be able to pull that off while NK is not.

>Russia and NK are not comparable economies. Just wait. While you wait, compare the economies of North and South Korea.

You can sanction and isolate smaller economies. Larger independent economies will not only be fine if you sanction them, they grow stronger.

North Korea is being punished for not wanting to be invaded when America wanted to invade it. South Koreans got invaded and got all the multi-nationals to exploit them... as a result, they have an economy but they spend all their money into looking like their invaders (highest cosmetic surgeries in the world, to make their facial features look western) and kill themselves because they can never become like their invaders (highest suicide rate). If NK is around in its current state when the American empire falls, SK will look to NK to connect back to their roots. I truly hope, for the sake of South Koreans, North Korea manages to live on.

Re: Spotify made a cowardly choice: to submit to the Kremlin

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The traditional way has been to organise a panel of bureaucrats and a large diplomatic/informant network spread over multiple countries, where individuals often have multiple decades of experience in their area of the globe. Which still throws up some pretty terrible misjudgements; but that is the baseline for a serious try. Any group who's state of the art information gathering includes having "a PR department" and…

reading the news shouldn't be trying to make moral judgements in countries half a world away How should we make moral judgments about what’s going on in the world? How is deciding to be a dumb service in a country when clearly innocent people are dying as a result of official actions of that country not a moral judgment? Or should we just not care?

> How is deciding to be a dumb service in a country when clearly innocent people are dying as a result of official actions of that country not a moral judgment?

Because it is a position that fundamentally says "I don't know how reliable this information is". Obviously if we took news at face value then it would be necessary to approach the world very differently than people do. But the media lies/is wrong/works to sway consensus/doesn't uncover the most important issues/are only human and so it would be stupid to respond to everything that gets reported.

There hasn't been a crisis in my lifetime where the consensus position 10 days in was useful for making good decisions. People were still saying COVID wasn't human transmissible and laughing at peppers at this point, for example. Or Iraq, my go-to comparison, where people were convinced Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The news coming out about the Russia/Ukraine war is unreliable no matter how much people think that this time it will be an open and shut case.

At some point people have to bow to overwhelming evidence that even though every single time it looks like this time is different, it probably isn't different. The reliable information here is that Russia has invaded the Ukraine. That isn't enough reason for businesses to start throwing out random punitive mini-sanctions. We've seen a lot of invasions over history and that isn't a usual or useful response.

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