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Humans remain humans. Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices.
> Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices. you mean like the voices that pretend that vaccines are 100% effective and have zero side effects?
Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> people no longer have the education I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. EDIT: Thinking about it, I would guess that we don't have as much humanities education as the prior generation (because it's been devalued), and humanities are what address the questions and problems plaguing our society, the big ones that are too complex to yield to scientific method or algorithms.
>> people no longer have the education > I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. The problem is, people used to realise when they had zero knowledge on a topic. Now they listen to some nutbar on YouTube, and think they suddenly have a decade worth of medical knowledge.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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This is also somewhat complicated because, as the article notes, sewage monitoring in Israel picks up polio virus with some degree of frequency, despite there being no recorded cases - there's definitely shedding going on, and it's sort of an odd case due to a number of demographic and geopolitical factors. This is not necessarily something that can be attributed to the vaccine. Will be curious to see what the result…
That's exactly what is expected from a non-sterilizing vaccine. The polio virus will still circulate in the gut of the vaccinated and be visible in sewage, etc even though there are no poliomyelitis cases.
I don't like that it's flagged, since there are elements in there that are true, but you wrote them in such a confusing way (in particular confusing IPV and OPV), that maybe you deserve to be flagged.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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This isn't only a matter of antivaxers. If you're in a country in which Polio has been eradicated, such as the US, double check that you're vaccinated. Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. I know that Africans receive the TB vaccine as part of our regular schedule, where many developed countries do not.
The Polio vaccine is still administered in the US as standard practice.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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Humans remain humans. Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices.
> Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices. you mean like the voices that pretend that vaccines are 100% effective and have zero side effects?
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#66> Indications of the virus have been found in sewage samples in the area Oh this decade is going to be insane. We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. Disease and war back on the front burners.
To me it's rather our blind reliance on technology that is the problem. People have become dependent on pills and drugs (and vaccines) of all sorts, treating the symptoms rather than the cause more often than not.
Chronic diseases are arguably more prevalent now than at other point in time: obesity, diabetes, cancer, coronary, circulatory etc. The COVID-19 crisis, which exposed the vulnerability of a large part of the population, is a case in point. Governments have spent all that effort and money to develop and administer vaccines on an unprecedented scale, but zero effort was made to make us more resilient, to ameliorate the environment in which we live (pollution kills ~9M humans per year [1]) or the food that we eat and out eating habits (~40% of the world adult population is overweight, ~15% obese [2]).
While COVID-19 may be gone (for now at least), the root causes of why so many millions of people succumbed to it are not. Technology might prove to be a good short term solution, but I believe the required changes are rather political, societal and even moral/spiritual.
[1] https://www.trtworld.com/life/pollution-causing-more-deaths-...
[2] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and...
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#67Thankfully polio is an extremely treatable disease. Vaccination is still the best form of defense against poliovirus. There’s no free lunch though, and more people are infected with polio from vaccines worldwide than with the wild virus. https://apnews.com/article/health-united-nations-ap-top-news...
That the rate of vaccine caused infection is now higher than the rate of wild infection is no reason to stop vaccinating. It's really sad but this is why we have indemnity processes. Eradication depends on continual vaccination, well beyond any kind of epidemic. Even though it has been years since wild polio raged worldwide, this is no time to stop vaccinating.
I cannot fathom what you are trying to communicate.
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Also your assertion that free will doesn’t exist is highly suspect. Either you’re coming from a place of collectivist ideology and work backwards or your reading about Libet’s button press studies. I’ll assume the latter, since is more interesting. Trying to pick apart awareness of intention to move, RP (readiness potential) as measured by eeg or fmri, and the movement in less than 300 ms using a clock the participant has to read is highly fraught. The setup could easily be wrong. Other researchers trying different approaches to measuring the awareness of the decision point have gotten the opposite results. There’s also absolutely no consensus among researchers on this topic. If you truly believe as you say that science is the key to progress, you must admit that the science of free will is very much unsettled. And we must also consider that cognitive neuroscience research has had a lot of embarrassing missteps, e.g. replication issues.
You may choose to believe people have no free will, but I feel agency in my actions so it’s real enough to me. One must also concede that there have existed totalitarian systems in living memory that predetermine all human actions that should happen in the system, and yet some people still rebel. There must be something there.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#69> Indications of the virus have been found in sewage samples in the area Oh this decade is going to be insane. We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. Disease and war back on the front burners.
> people no longer have the education I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. EDIT: Thinking about it, I would guess that we don't have as much humanities education as the prior generation (because it's been devalued), and humanities are what address the questions and problems plaguing our society, the big ones that are too complex to yield to scientific method or algorithms.
The Israeli government will pay welfare indefinitely for a man who undertakes religious studies.
During the peak of the pandemic, orthodox jews in NYC were throwing massive wedding and bar mitzvah celebrations, creating superspreader events.
If polio hits the orthodox communities it will make coronavirus look like a field day. Polio is insanely infectious.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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People are responsible for their own behavior and can make choices. You can make choices. They aren't victims of systems.
Choice is an illusion, it's all just chaos