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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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You would allow hardware DRM in your box just to allow Nvidia to "revoke" ownership of your card when you use it "incorrectly". Yeah I'll pass.

The parent comment makes no mention of giving Nvidia control over the GPU. You know you can have remote access features that are solely under your control, right? That's how SSH works. You should read comments before you reply to them.

You may feel you own Windows.

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Reply in this comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30568961

> The claim that this should be free because software and hardware costs nothing once you already have developed is illogical. CAD software, GPU driver software for CAD, and GPU hardware to meet CAD's demand, continues to evolve, which costs money. I do agree with you, developers are expensive. And if i came across that way then that wasn't my intention. If a gaming CPU doesn't support CAD tasks, never did so in the…

If by software throttling hardware you mean LHR.

Then as other have mentioned there are two options for GPU vendors:

* Hardware unblocked: GPU can be used for mining, scarcity becomes worse, good luck finding gaming GPUs for less than 2000$ for as long as it is profitable to use them for mining (~2 years maybe?)

* Hardware blocked: GPU can't be used for mining (profitably), gaming GPUs can be bought by gamers (still scarcity due to COVID, but not as bad)

The main reason only NVIDIA does this, and AMD and Intel don't isn't because of "freedom", but rather because AMD and Intel GPUs are so bad at compute that nobody can use them for anything but gaming anyways.

Independently of whether one agrees with nvidia's decision here, and whether it actually achieved its goal or not, the thought process isn't really hard to follow.

And I mean, before LHR people were complaining that miners were buying all nvidia gpus, and they couldn't get any, and asking nvidia to do something. nvidia did something, and now that people got to get the GPUs for gaming, they are complaining that they can't mine on them, which is probably the only reason they actually were able to get one in the first place.

So :shrug:. To be honest, it was foreseeable that people were going to complain either way.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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in practice that's not even true because some miners are willing to run negative margins because they extract value elsewhere in the process (the most prominent example is stolen electricity, but also for many miners it's a form of cash laundering. You always get less money out than you put in, but it's clean cash. In China's case they can't get money past capital controls, but you can mine at a loss and sell the bit…

Interesting. How does running a mining operation help you front-run exchange trades?

standard front-running stuff. you can see the transactions that are in the mempool, you can either submit your own higher-fee transaction (likely to be included before theirs) or if you're a miner you can try to mine blocks with your transaction included and theirs specifically excluded so that yours goes first.

that essentially tells you that the price is about to go up or down, so you can make money on the movement.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/front-running-flash-bots-and-...

https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/glossary/miner-extracta...

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> that Linux, on a default configuration (which means, ISO with Nouveau) To this day I cannot think of a good reason to ship nouveau outside of "lets make users with nvidia cards suffer". I get the idea behind the nouveau project, but pushing an experimental driver that cannot work with 99% of the hardware it latches onto and forces users to disable it if they want a basic working system is actively malicious.

No, it isn't, and the malice comes entirely from circumstances foisted on the Free/Libre Open Source community by Nvidia's inherent user hostility at the behest of corporate America/the music/content delivery industry. It isn't that hard to write a manual. It isn't that hard to respect user freedom to use tge device they purchased. It isn't that hard to just leave well enough alone. But no.... Nvidia just couldn't.

>user hostility at the behest of corporate America/the music/content delivery industry.

Meanwhile the company responsible for the biggest security issues in the last decade still provides its CPU microcode as signed binary blob and the FLOS community is fine with that because someone at the FSF drew a random line to stand on. I will accept the FLOS communities hatred of NVIDIA the moment it stops bending over backward for the company that brought us Meltdown, Spectre, RowHammer (who needs consumer grade ECC anyway), etc. .

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No, it isn't, and the malice comes entirely from circumstances foisted on the Free/Libre Open Source community by Nvidia's inherent user hostility at the behest of corporate America/the music/content delivery industry. It isn't that hard to write a manual. It isn't that hard to respect user freedom to use tge device they purchased. It isn't that hard to just leave well enough alone. But no.... Nvidia just couldn't.

>user hostility at the behest of corporate America/the music/content delivery industry. Meanwhile the company responsible for the biggest security issues in the last decade still provides its CPU microcode as signed binary blob and the FLOS community is fine with that because someone at the FSF drew a random line to stand on. I will accept the FLOS communities hatred of NVIDIA the moment it stops bending over backwar…

You won't hear a peep one from me in that regard, because I am of the same line of thinking.

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Interesting. How does running a mining operation help you front-run exchange trades?

standard front-running stuff. you can see the transactions that are in the mempool, you can either submit your own higher-fee transaction (likely to be included before theirs) or if you're a miner you can try to mine blocks with your transaction included and theirs specifically excluded so that yours goes first. that essentially tells you that the price is about to go up or down, so you can make money on the movement…

Thanks.

Most of what you suggest doesn't benefit from having significant mining capacity yourself. (Though one thing does.)

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I guess you don't understand what value the seal of approval a dollar has - for that is what Bitcoin generates but without the backdoor devaluation and cronyism of private banking.

Sorry, that sentence doesn't make much sense as it is, could you please expand on it?

Why don't you start by explaining what you are confused on?

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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So you believe that Nvidia needs crypto to survive but knowingly and intentionally hampers their cards' mining performance? You seem confused.

Not what I said at all. Re-read.

wrong comment

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Nice red flag: people that claim crypto is bad because it uses energy are people that actually trust Elon Musk's arbitrary opinions. Elon knows less about cryptocurrency than a fair amount of degenerate twenty year old speculators.

I think you overstate the overlap of Musk fans and crypto climate impact critics. You would be mistaken to think that Musk fans are in large part anti-crypto. It’s a weird notion for you to even submit.

Musk has a lot of influence for casual environmentalists - he has the biggest electric car company after all. His misunderstandings of crypto and what's important had far reaching affects on adoption and plenty an ignorant friend have tried to lecture me reinforced by what they view as such an authority.
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