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Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

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This website claims to have translated recipes from the Boke of Cokery: http://godecookery.com/goderec/goderec.htm

From what I can tell, this is a set of recipes from other medieval cook books, not a translation of “the Boke of Cokery”. In a random sample of ten recipes, each gave a different source and none was Boke of Cokery. Still a great website!

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

#32
Old books are really nice. I've got one from 1575 about plants, written in old french. It looks, feels and smells "hundreds of years old".

Some old books like the one about cooking in TFA are ultra rare but others were printed in gigantic numbers and many copies persists to this day, so they can be fetched at relatively low prices (sometimes for a few hundreds bucks if you're lucky).

Here's the one I have (there are complete PDF scans of that book on the net as it's a really common one):

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fuchs+l+histoire+des+plantes&t=h_&...

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

#33

It's sad that it's virtually impossible to find medieval food like this. All "medieval" restaurants (even in Europe) I know of either serve modern food in old digs, or random barbecue as a sideshow to jousting knights and whatnot.

https://www.kapitelhusgarden.se/en/menu/ (Gotland, Sweden) https://www.dengyldnesvane.dk/ (Falster, Denmark) https://www.sjattetunnan.se/?lang=en (Stockholm, Sweden)

Yes, those are perfect examples of the kind of fake medieval I was talking about. For example, both feature roast chicken on the menu, but chicken was rarely if even eaten before the 1900s. The few that were for laying eggs, meaning they were butchered only after many years and were thus a far cry from the plump KFC type chickens we see today. (Which is also why the most famous French chicken/rooster dish, coq au vin, is designed to tenderize and extract all calories from a tough old rooster.)

At least the first has a couple of authentic-ish medieval desserts though.

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.kapitelhusgarden.se/en/menu/ (Gotland, Sweden) https://www.dengyldnesvane.dk/ (Falster, Denmark) https://www.sjattetunnan.se/?lang=en (Stockholm, Sweden)

Yes, those are perfect examples of the kind of fake medieval I was talking about. For example, both feature roast chicken on the menu, but chicken was rarely if even eaten before the 1900s. The few that were for laying eggs, meaning they were butchered only after many years and were thus a far cry from the plump KFC type chickens we see today. (Which is also why the most famous French chicken/rooster dish, coq au vin…

I think you'll struggle to find anywhere that is 100% medieval, except perhaps an occasional special event at a museum.

You'll also find the food of the nobility, or feast days, as it isn't much fun to eat bread and gruel.

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.kapitelhusgarden.se/en/menu/ (Gotland, Sweden) https://www.dengyldnesvane.dk/ (Falster, Denmark) https://www.sjattetunnan.se/?lang=en (Stockholm, Sweden)

Yes, those are perfect examples of the kind of fake medieval I was talking about. For example, both feature roast chicken on the menu, but chicken was rarely if even eaten before the 1900s. The few that were for laying eggs, meaning they were butchered only after many years and were thus a far cry from the plump KFC type chickens we see today. (Which is also why the most famous French chicken/rooster dish, coq au vin…

https://aifur.se/en-GB/aifur-en/

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

#36

Not trying to be difficult, but that font seems to have some historical implications we should rather not glorify.

What are you referring to?

The font is Blackletter, which was widely used in Europe, but specifically Germany kept using it until 1941, when Nazis abolished its use. But since Germans used the font, and nazis were German, people think that the font is bad, and should not be used. Similarly, since nazis tended to be clean-shaven and not grow beards, it is well-known that every right-thinking man today must grow a beard to avoid signalling their nazi sympathies.

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you referring to?

The font is Blackletter, which was widely used in Europe, but specifically Germany kept using it until 1941, when Nazis abolished its use. But since Germans used the font, and nazis were German, people think that the font is bad, and should not be used. Similarly, since nazis tended to be clean-shaven and not grow beards, it is well-known that every right-thinking man today must grow a beard to avoid signalling their…

Which doesn't even make sense, given it was abolished by Nazi Germany "when Hitler's distaste for the supposedly "Jewish-influenced" script saw it officially discontinued"

(via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackletter)

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you referring to?

The font is Blackletter, which was widely used in Europe, but specifically Germany kept using it until 1941, when Nazis abolished its use. But since Germans used the font, and nazis were German, people think that the font is bad, and should not be used. Similarly, since nazis tended to be clean-shaven and not grow beards, it is well-known that every right-thinking man today must grow a beard to avoid signalling their…

wow this is the first i’ve heard of this and it’s very stupid

Re: This Is the Boke of Cokery

#40

Not trying to be difficult, but that font seems to have some historical implications we should rather not glorify.

Go learn a bit more history - the use of Blackletter/Fraktur was banned by the National Socialist government because it was "Jewish". Earlier Nazi posters and publications used it, but so did the Social Democrats (SPD - Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands) and even Communists (KPD - Kommunistiche Partei Deutschlands) - here are loads of examples, provided by a Social Democratic historical society (Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung)[0], and a very specific one - the edition of the "Vorwärts" announcing the abdication of the Kaiser (something the SPD was very excited about)[1].

Most older German books and newspapers, regardless of point of view, were typeset in Fraktur.

[0]https://artsandculture.google.com/partner/friedrich-ebert-st...

[1]https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/%E2%80%9Evorw%C3%A4r...

There's a whole site devoted to Weimar Era (1919-1933) era political campaign posters[3], and just about every party, left, right and center, used Fraktur on occasion - and to be fair to the parent commenter, repeatedly by a certain someone complaining about being cancelled[4][5][6]

[3]http://www.wahlplakate-archiv.de/

[4]http://www.wahlplakate-archiv.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/...

[5]http://www.wahlplakate-archiv.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/...

[6]http://www.wahlplakate-archiv.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/...

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