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Post by fallingfrog »

jotm wrote: post #480
samstave wrote: post #295

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I have always been amazed that there is not an org that specifically seeks to scuttle super yachts. Bezos $500 million dollar yacht is an example (dismantle a bridge to get the yacht through, where is the talk about re-mantleing said bridge, did it make it better? Stronger? Refresh components?) Regardless, if youre issues' require actions against, mega yachts should be target #1.

If one guy can severely damage a yacht (happened recently to a Russian oligarch), yeah an organization would do very well. Not sure how much it would help, but yeah.

Yeah it was very gratifying to see Nancy pelosi and others doing things like apologizing and kneeling in kente cloths during the blm uprisings. I knew it was all insincere, but still, they had the right attitude for once. They ought to be a lot more scared, and pretty much begging for forgiveness right now.

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Post by ericmay »

dragonwriter wrote: post #722
ericmay wrote: post #548

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> Should Russia schedule a delivery of nuclear weapons to Cuba for this week or next? Frankly, I couldn’t care less. But if you think a country choosing to ally with a country is the same as positioning nuclear weapons, well, that’s your problem. Recall that Russia exited nuclear arms treaties and controls, which were the result of an insane arms buildup and included activities like putting missiles in Cuba. Even the…

> Recall that Russia exited nuclear arms treaties and controls The US repudiated the ABM treaty before Russia did any of that (Russian withdrawal from START II was a direct response to that), and also exited the Open Skies Treaty first. There are many, many things to blame Russia for, but collapsing the arms control and verification regime that developed during the Cold War was entirely the US (and specifically an ac…

Yep.

> On December 13, 2001, U.S. President George W. Bush, who argued that Washington and Moscow no longer needed to base their relationship on their ability to destroy each other, announced that the United States would withdraw from the ABM Treaty, claiming that it prevented U.S. development of defenses against possible terrorist or "rogue-state" ballistic missile attacks. [1]

[1] https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/abmtreaty

Without getting into the entire history of tit-for-tat let’s not pretend that withdrawing from this treaty was the result of some wonton aggression toward little ole’ Russia.

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Post by jpindar »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #407
einarfd wrote: post #401

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> A lot of my IT friends have fled the country, almost everyone who could. My heart is bleeding thinking of friends who wanted to leave on March 9, not sure what they can do now. Depending on where in Russian they live. They could flee in their car. Finland seem to be popular ( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60624500 ). The Baltics, Norway and possibly Sweden on a ferry or boat could also be options.

Land borders are closed and require special permission.

It's a long border. Honest question - is it all well patrolled?

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Post by pydry »

ericmay wrote: post #796
pydry wrote: post #759

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>But if you think a country choosing to ally with a country is the same as positioning nuclear weapons I think encircling your border with an offensive military alliance is very much like placing nukes 100 miles away and pointing them at you, yes. I wouldnt want the military alliance that destroyed Libya anywhere near me if I thought I could be a target. Having a strict "dont end up like Libya" policy is actually a f…

> I think encircling your border with an offensive military alliance is very much like placing nukes 100 miles away and pointing them at you, yes. Why do you think NATO is an offensive alliance against Russia? > I wouldnt want the military alliance that destroyed Libya anywhere near me if I thought I could be a target. Having a strict "dont end up like Libya" policy is actually a fairly sensible. Odd isn’t it? It’s a…

>Why do you think NATO is an offensive alliance against Russia?

It was set up specifically to oppose Moscow.

It destroyed Libya.

It is an offensive alliance without question.

That doesnt excuse Russia, but Russia invading Ukraine doesnt excuse NATO either.

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Post by jacquesm »

skybrian wrote: post #782
jacquesm wrote: post #691

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Clearly it is not revenge, that is a ridiculous thing to say. Sanctions are the kind of things that tend to send unmistakable messages: we are serious about this and we're willing to hurt our own interests to hurt yours, stop what you are doing or it will get worse. Of course that requires a modicum of rationality on the other side, which we may not have in this case, and obviously the rulers will usually be utterly…

UK Property and football clubs don't contribute to the Russian war effort, though. Yachts are not warships. Since trade with Russia has stopped, even selling them would make little difference. If anything we should be encouraging Russians to flee the country.

Those probably count for as much or more as the rest of the sanctions because they are the things the fat cats use to keep score.

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Post by jacquesm »

avar wrote: post #788
jacquesm wrote: post #366

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The only people that can do something about it right this moment are all in Russia and as long as they don't the carnage will continue (in your name, no less). Putin's generals have over the years been carefully winnowed down to a bunch of spineless bastards, it's clear that near a dictator of such power you will not find any credible competition, those are either in jail or six feet under. Interesting side effect, t…

One reason sanctions against Putin aren't harder than they are, is because those of us in western Europe are still taking the relative luxury of (in my case) typing this comment sitting inside wearing an t-shirt, instead of having to wear my skiing inside my apartment. I.e. the current sanctions explicitly excluded natural gas etc. Russia supplies around 40% of the EU's gas, demand is around 2x as higher. We could ju…

Yes, and that was dumb, it telegraphed a very clear weakness to Putin.

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Post by trhway »

331c8c71 wrote: post #593
trhway wrote: post #527

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You're repeating Russian propaganda that is straight from the German Nazi playbook. "If you don't defend your cities we wouldn't have to kill your civilians there." >the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can the Russians are indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian residential areas, including using prohibited cluster and vacuum munitions. When it comes to eating, the Russians are marauding stores for food and al…

I don't know what nazi propaganda was. The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage. Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely. They are not covered by geneva convention and I don't think Russia signed no-use treaties for them (it doesn't make these munitions less horrible). https://www.reuters…

>I don't know what nazi propaganda was.

without knowing of a minimum of related history, you're still feeling like you cam meaningfully comment.

>The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage.

You feel necessary to repeat Russian propaganda again. According to that Russia propaganda the Soviet defenders of Stalingrad are guilty of Stalingrad destruction not German Nazi.

Anyway, if Ukrainians are hiding heavy units in residential areas when why all this tremendous amount of videos of the widespread residential destruction by Russian bombings contain no Ukrainian weaponry? Showing destroyed Ukrainian tank which was hidden in the children sandbox would be a great propaganda scoop for Russians, yet somehow they still haven't managed to show anything like this.

On the other side there is huge number of Russian tanks, armor carriers burnt on the city streets. Why those Russians were in the city? It is very reasonable to suspect that in those cases the Russians have been using the cities as human shield. Tons of videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pBMdUWhws , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge07_whd1v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPbavvcP38

>Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely.

again, you either repeat propaganda or more likely talking what you don't know about.

Cluster - the "spines" of the Uragan and "Smerch" cluster missile in the attacked areas is a clear evidence, like here for example https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1497205591814684678?s=...

Vacuum - in the linked video the explosion is pretty characteristic of vacuum munition https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H6Hj5VoZN_k . And there is a number or reports of Russian TOS-1 "Buratino" - vacuum munition missile launcher, and that weapon "shines", ie. extremely damaging in cities, not open field.

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Post by ghtys »

jacquesm wrote: post #341
therusskiy wrote: post #335

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"Black lives matter" and "Moscow election protests" happened around the same time. I have nothing against BLM, but I can say that many Russians got plenty upset, that all countries had huge protests around the world (even New Zealand) to support BLM, while Russian protests were completely ignored by the international community. Nobody is asking to come to Russia, but we've been alone in our fight with Putin all along…

Black Lives Matter protests were about an internal affair in countries not yours, and just like it would be pretty weird to expect Russians to turn up there to help out I think it is a bit strange to expect Westerners to come to Russia to effect change. The Russian protests were not 'completely ignored', it's just that all we can really do here is report on them. > I guess he is our problem now He always was. Now he…

There was a massive international solidarity shown during BLM which certainly pressured the US government to take the issue seriously. There was no solidarity with Russian people protesting against Putin, and there is still no solidarity now.

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Post by SiberianDweller »

enaaem wrote: post #532
andrey123 wrote: post #316

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[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

You can read the book: Blueprint for Revolution: How to Use Rice Pudding, Lego Men, and Other Nonviolent Techniques to Galvanize Communities, Overthrow Dictators, or Simply Change the World It proposes many interesting strategies and ideas on how to protest in dictatorships. Be subtle, use humor and focus your message on the most common people. Don't call for democracy, free speech or anything like that. You will be…

Some time ago I saw a beautiful conversation in comments for some article about Ukrainian internal political life. One of their famous politicians (and scammer) Julia Timoshenko was jailed for some months and during that time she asked to transfer her from cell to prison hospital, for many reasons and one of these reasons was an injury, hematoma on her abdomen.

One of commentators said something like: - How is it possible, she's lying, here's no way to get hematoma on abdomen! And reply to him was: - When you will be jailed, you will learn: how is it possible.

So, when you recommending books like this, from the people who wasn't beaten even once, li looks hilarious. How to make revolution with lego figures and funny pictures, wow.

How to get your legs broken during arrest or lose one eye, do you want to know it? Even without new laws. How to get tuberculosis in prison in 30 days? How to get real imprisonment for a years for fabricated felony?

I see a kind of schizophrenia here: if Putin is dictator, he's already can do what he want without approval from electorate, but then I see here accusation for me that I and people like me didn't rid off him. It's not so easy to do, you may know.

More to say, when daughter of some corrupted govenor of one of Russia regions coming to USA, she got visa for extremely talented people, because she owns some startup (captured by her rich daddy).

If I will try to come to USA, I must pass TOEFL, pass through interview for Amazon/Google/whatever and then work, work, and pay rent and smile, and work again. I will have no time for anything except angry dislikes in youtube.

USA and EU made no way for me and people like me in Russia to be involved in politics while being in opposition to my government. It all looks like call "run into Kremlin wall and try to break it with your head, why you didn't it yet?".

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Post by ghtys »

Etherlord87 wrote: post #738
BizarreByte wrote: post #727

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> I am empathetic to your situation, but if you lived in Russia and paid taxes in Russia, you did support Putin. You also supported him just by living there, which was a statement that Russia is a place worth living in. Also if you didn't protest, you did support him passively. If you're an American you don't get to criticize Russian citizens for this. It would be the very definition of glass houses and throwing ston…

I'm not an American, but I don't see how an argument is valid or invalid based on who makes it.

An argument can be biased, an American who never had to live under Putin's regime or in the social/economic context of Russia might not be able to understand that people don't choose to be born in such countries, or not see the wrongdoing of their own country.
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